Do you think we will see more NX1 updates?

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Darktide Media

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Like the title says, do you think we will see any more updates for the NX1, the rumors have been really quite about anything new coming to the camera except the old ones like 4K crop mode. As as a company we are on the line of waiting to see an upgrade or moving over to a Ursa Mini kit. We love the NX1 but we need to see more of the DR in video mode. The photos are great. Also knowing the sensor can read 240fps would be nice to see more then 120 come along.
 
I think we will.

Samsung got a little bit of attention when they released this 4k DSLR...
But they got a LOT of attention when they started with all these great updates. It put them into the market.
Right now it seems pretty obvious that they are using the NX1 updates to refine and perfect not only their product but their position in this market they have only just now entered.

Samsung is a DAMN SMART company and I suspect they will do a few more updates to the NX1 before moving on to their next camera - which will probably equally as smashing.
 
I think we will get an optional crop mode (just apply whatevery code they use on the NX500) and also lots of minor improvements.

But I don't think we'll get higher FPS, unless it's at a much reduced resolution (e.g. 240p would probably require 960x540, or even less if the bottleneck is the processor and not the sensor).

And I'd say the chances for a wider gamma curve that preserves more of the sensor's DR in the video files are not that high, maybe 50/50 at best. Right now it's the one single thing that would make me buy one of these, but it has to happen before the a7000 comes out because I think that one will have internal 4K and slog2, and also takes a speedbooster, which is a big thing for me.
 
I would suspect the next major update from Samsung would be a log profile. I don't think its a stretch but it might take more time than we like GH4 and Panasonic. For something like that it would be smart for them to have an experienced filmmaker show it off before they release which means we might have to wait a little. I would like a log profile yesterday but I don't think it would smart from a marketing stand point to roll it out without a real push.

At least I hope that's their response to Sony instead of a NX2.

The only minor update I think I would like to see ASAP would be that the camera keeps peaking on until I disable it. I hate that I have to keep turning it back on when I hit record.
 
Darktide Media said:
Like the title says, do you think we will see any more updates for the NX1, the rumors have been really quite about anything new coming to the camera except the old ones like 4K crop mode. As as a company we are on the line of waiting to see an upgrade or moving over to a Ursa Mini kit. We love the NX1 but we need to see more of the DR in video mode. The photos are great. Also knowing the sensor can read 240fps would be nice to see more then 120 come along.
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I've got to say - trying to decide between an NX1 and an Ursa Mini (and a kit to boot, I assume power and high-dollar media or a high-dollar recorder and SDI monitoring gear and that badass viewfinder?) is a head-scratcher.

As much as I love the NX1 and what Samsung is doing, that's like saying you're trying to decide between a Toyota Corrolla and a BMW 8-series, "but does anyone know if the next Corrolla will have a better stereo?" Maybe that's an exaggeration, but if I could afford a mini kit, I sure wouldn't be stressed about the next NX1 firmware upgrade!!!

Cool as they are, DSLRs are a kludge compared to a pro camera (especially one with raw and prores and a for-realz VF and XLRs and a high-res display and etc and etc and also did I mention etc etc and etc…)

Just buy the dang Ursa and post a review!!! (Not trying to be a smartass, but man… seriously…)
 
Haha funny man, ya I know DSLR vs Cinema Camera. But we dont think of it on that level its more of I want the NX1 to win due to the size and weight and how easy it is. But yes our mind is made up and will be buying the Ursa Mini as soon as they are in stock. Not waiting for a preorder. Cant wait to see it have a lot of great ideas we can do with its DR and RAW modes. Just hope that stick to the original 160fps in HD, but if not the 120 will be one of the cleanest out there and I would think much better then NX1
 
Samsung has stated they're committed to continuously improving the NX1, but at some point - especially with Sony rolling out IBIS, 4k, more MP, new lenses and so on - there will have to be a new camera to grab headlines and boost sales. They've done a great job so far adding gammas, refining the AF and improving functionality in some areas. But you still can't properly back-button focus with the NX1, something every CaNikon body ever produced can do, and the custom buttons don't offer nearly enough options. So the updates are hit and miss.

They are a consumer electronics company with product cycles that don't mimic CaNikon in any way, and they know a thing or two about generating release hype. I'd expect them to be more like Sony rolling out new NX1 successors every 18 months or so - if the camera is selling well enough to justify continuing development and keeping on top of the APS-c mountain. Lenses are the only real drawback to the NX system, two good zooms and a bunch of pancakes that aren't great video lenses aren't enough - they need to push more out or publish a roadmap like Fuji to hook people in with the promise of good things to come. Hopefully Sony releases a loaded APS-c camera soon, then we'll see how Samsung responds.
 
Yeah, that camera is the do-it-all beast that finally went on a diet. The specs are amazing for a camera at twice the price.

Really hoping we get rental units in locally.
 
The current NX1 price is $1,299, while NX 500 is $699, 16-50mm F3.5/5.6 lens included (talk about value, the lens itself retails for $299). In the smartphone industry, where competition is beyond cutthroat, the pressure is to bring out a new model every year or so. If I were Samsung, I'd keep NX1 and add "NX10" at $1,800 or so and really make it an A7RII competitor with 6K, a kick-ass auto focus and so on.
 
I mentioned on DPReview that Samsung might benefit from working with a company like Metabones to get adapters made. This was met with resistance but hey, we all want to use pro glass and a lot of us already own pro glass. I will be way more inclined to pick up a Samsung body if it can augment my current lineup rather than commit to a complete new system. The might of the Canon lens lineup towers over Samsung which is a consumer electronics company. Just sayin' that I think they need to lead with their strengths and accept that folks are not going to sell everything and move to Samsung.

I think more sales is the best way to get improvements from Samsung. They are making some great moves and I expect them to continue.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I mentioned on DPReview that Samsung might benefit from working with a company like Metabones to get adapters made. This was met with resistance but hey, we all want to use pro glass and a lot of us already own pro glass. I will be way more inclined to pick up a Samsung body if it can augment my current lineup rather than commit to a complete new system. The might of the Canon lens lineup towers over Samsung which is a consumer electronics company. Just sayin' that I think they need to lead with their strengths and accept that folks are not going to sell everything and move to Samsung.

I think more sales is the best way to get improvements from Samsung. They are making some great moves and I expect them to continue.
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What adapters would you want to see? The camera can take Nikon and Canon adapters, there are even PL adapters available, and it's got an APS-C sensor so there's no need for a speedbooster-type adapter.

I guess if someone wants AF from third party lenses to work? But do PL shooters or guys with a case of vintage Nikkor primes really want to use AF?
 
Bassman2003 said:
I mentioned on DPReview that Samsung might benefit from working with a company like Metabones to get adapters made. This was met with resistance but hey, we all want to use pro glass and a lot of us already own pro glass. I will be way more inclined to pick up a Samsung body if it can augment my current lineup rather than commit to a complete new system. The might of the Canon lens lineup towers over Samsung which is a consumer electronics company. Just sayin' that I think they need to lead with their strengths and accept that folks are not going to sell everything and move to Samsung.

I think more sales is the best way to get improvements from Samsung. They are making some great moves and I expect them to continue.
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I concur. They're coming up from the ranks of "cheapo" electronics and into the thick of the market ... but this has been their MO over the last 30 years or so I've followed the industry. (when I first started there, top Korean brands Samsung and Gold Star were the entry level/loss leader video products) Moreover, it fits with the South Korean auto industry (Kia, Hyundai) profile as well - start low, get a market share, then improve your product to the point it is well respected and yet still extremely competitive from the economic point of view. In that regard, they may undertake that climb in quality from the ~ $1,500 model like NX1 and into a higher realm of 5D MKIII/VI and Sony A7R MK II soon.

In the area of the lens design, Samsung has enough financial muscle to hire anyone - or subcontract to companies like Tamron, Tokina, Sigma, Samyang, etc. - they want. The shrewd business strategy for them is to have adapters for the most popular lenses a la Sony but, at the same time, to release their own products as well. 16-50 mm F2.0/2.8 seems like a decent lens. Now, they need to add a few more of the native zooms and take off from there.

PS. Let's not forget that A7RII can auto-focus with Canon glass pretty well and "smart" adapters are coming out all the time.
 
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Michael Carter said:
What adapters would you want to see? The camera can take Nikon and Canon adapters, there are even PL adapters available, and it's got an APS-C sensor so there's no need for a speedbooster-type adapter.

I guess if someone wants AF from third party lenses to work? But do PL shooters or guys with a case of vintage Nikkor primes really want to use AF?
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I own Canon EF lenses, so I would want to see a "smart" adapter that can control the electronics. I e-mailed Metabones and they said they have no plans to make an adapter for the NX-1, smart or speedbooster.
 
I want a dumb speedbooster. My lens set is vintage Leitz glass for the Leica-R mount, and to make it shine I need a full frame sensor, or APS-C plus speedbooster.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I own Canon EF lenses, so I would want to see a "smart" adapter that can control the electronics. I e-mailed Metabones and they said they have no plans to make an adapter for the NX-1, smart or speedbooster.
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This would be a huge boost to getting the NX1 in the hands of more experienced shooters. Adaptability is one of the major strengths of the E-mount - especially being able to have the camera communicate with EF lenses as that makes it a more viable second system for any Canon shooter and gives us more options lens-wise. Sony has clearly seen the light in that regard as they now show off new models - like the A7s and now the A7rII - with Canon lenses.

Samsung is playing catch-up, h265 and BSI gave them a short lived advantage on the camera side, but they've been totally overshadowed by the A7rII - regardless of the cost - and the NX lenses are the achilles heel of the system.
 
That is how I feel. It can all be turned around with active adaptors for Canon EF and Nikon glass. Samsung must be aware that lens lineups really determine camera choices for Pro shooters. I am not saying Samsung lenses are sub-par, just that as a photo and video shooter, I do not want to own two sets of lenses. Samsung is not there yet on the photo side (flash system & lens choices) so the default is to invest in Canon, Nikon or Sony glass. Just reality and they would be wise to work within those parameters.
 
Curious about the need for a speedbooster on an APS-C sensor - the FOV and DOF for that size is about what we've seen in super 35 for decades of hollywood movies, right?

I get it for having more choices in wides, but running some gorgeous vintage lens through another layer of glass only seems right on a small sensor (4/3 or super 16). Or do some guys desire the Canon-big-sensor look that came about the last few years?

I almost got a BMC micro but factoring in the speedbooster killed the value equation for me...
 
Michael Carter said:
Curious about the need for a speedbooster on an APS-C sensor - the FOV and DOF for that size is about what we've seen in super 35 for decades of hollywood movies, right? ...
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APS-C is ~ 35mm, S35 is Super 35, Full Frame is "Vista Vision" and Medium Format is 65mm (give or take a few mil). The problem, with APS-C and s35 is that video acquisition is headed toward 8K and the assumption there is that one needs a bigger sensor than those two for all those extra pixels. IMO, the high end pro cameras - big budget film and TV - will end up with the 65mm sensor. The rest of the pro gear will be full frame/Vista Vision (Red Weapon is 8K in Vista Vision) and MFT/APS-C will be pretty much the entry level product.*

*In the right hands, footage generated by the "entry level product" will be indistinguishable from the high end/pro gear on most consumer sets and monitors.
 
I want a speedbooster because my lens set is designed for full frame. It's all vintage Leitz glass for the Leica-R glass, from the 60s and 70s. I have the 24mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.4, 90mm f/2.8, 135mm f/2.8, and 180mm f/2.8. As you see, I have all my bases covered (a 19mm would be nice but those are not great and way too expensive, I got a Rokinon 12mm for APS-C instead), and the lenses are fast enough for some decent shallow DoF when needed.

On an APS-C sensor, I'd have to get a 16mm (most likely it would be a zoom, either the Tokina 11-16 or the Sigma 16-35), and the lenses would be fast enough for most shots but would leave me unable to get really shallow DoF if I ever need it (it would have to be with the 50mm).

The speedbooster is not perfect. Compared with an actual FF sensor, it's softer across the board (a bit in the center, a lot in the corners). And bokeh gets just slightly worse than it is originally. BUT if you don't have a FF camera to compare it with, the speedbooster actually helps. These are my tests about this issue. If you scroll down to the bottom ("the portrait question") you'll see that, even though my 50mm is sharper than my 90mm both in the center and in the corners, on the same sensor, the 50mm at f/2.0 is softer than the 90mm with speedbooster at f/2.8 (and those combinations give me roughly the same FoV and DoF).

So, my conclusion from those tests was: full frame is better than APS-C with speedbooster, but APS-C with speedbooster is better than just APS-C.
And there's no NXF-1 with a full frame sensor.

Of course, none of this would be an issue if I had the Fujinon 19-90mm T/2.9 Cabrio, but well, if I had that at hand I wouldn't be looking at the NX1. :)
 
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