DIY IndieSlider...

how would anyone expect that a thing sliding on another thing would be completely silent? i'm with Zaza....has to be an alignment/weight distribution issue, but for all intents and purposes, it DOES make sound.
 
Hello all.

I work with a Linear motion company. They are like Igus. They say to lube rails only use oils like 3in1 oil. They in fact say don't use WD-40 or any of those house hold sprays. I will be seeing Phillip Bloom tomorrow and he did the Lucas Skywalker Ranch Video which is awesome but the shots are slidm with a music overlay. I will ask him about the slider sound tomorrow and will report back here later tomorrow.

Howard Sheldon
 
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I think it best to ask Igus what they think about lubing drylin before doing do. those carriages arent cheap!
 
I totally agree about not using any lube on the ZaZa slider Igus shuttle. The company I'm working with has a one piece shuttle the same size as the Igus that has a teflon coating and where you can almost get rid of 95% of the slide noise by adding 3 in 1 oil. It gets very silent which is why I picked them. I will be showing it to Phillip Bloom this morning and I will get back to you guys later today.

Howard Sheldon

P.S. this new shuttle is one piece machined aluminum and will fit the Igus track. The Igus shuttle is 5 pieces plus screws. By the way I am retired and have no axe to grind here. I won't be making any money with these new sliders. I am finding this stuff for all film makers here.
 
Zaza, everyone I shoot with loves your product, I have people who are friends of friends, coworkers of clients calling me asking about the Slider... I always Joke with them saying "would you rather pay $400, or $165?"

Sometimes I get a chuckle
 
Zacatac said:
Zaza, everyone I shoot with loves your product, I have people who are friends of friends, coworkers of clients calling me asking about the Slider... I always Joke with them saying "would you rather pay $400, or $165?"

Sometimes I get a chuckle
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Thanks Zac...glad to hear it! :thumbsup:
 
ZazaCast said:
Do not use any lubricant on igus drylin products.
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Igus recommends vaseline. I tried silicone grease and it did not work. But Vaseline smoothens the runs very effectively (also cleans the rails). The key is to use a very thin coating. Almost like you would a polish or buff.
The other thing is to keep your rails very well covered when not in use. Smoke, dust particles etc. will gum the rails up.
 
Zephyrnoid said:
Igus recommends vaseline. I tried silicone grease and it did not work. But Vaseline smoothens the runs very effectively (also cleans the rails). The key is to use a very thin coating. Almost like you would a polish or buff.
The other thing is to keep your rails very well covered when not in use. Smoke, dust particles etc. will gum the rails up.
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Hey Zeph... I don't know who you talked to at igus, but we have conflicting information here.
The rep put me in contact with a technical support engineer at igus US (in RI) and he would disagree with you.
I was told NO lubrication was best for the Drylin product.

"DryLin® linear bearings, guides and slide tables are designed to run dry, without the need for the messy lubricants, costly maintenance,
or downtime typically associated with re-circulating ball bearing systems. The DryLin® range is completely resistant to dirt, dust and chemicals
and can even handle underwater applications."

In fact, I mentioned Vaseline (as you had mentioned it before) and again he said it would actually act as a
dust & dirt magnet and create more of a mess...just like any oil or other lubricant.

My only concern is that with so many people chiming in here, people will become confused and might ruin their sliders.
If you could reference where this information came from, perhaps we could put this issue to rest.

Thanks...
-Zaza
 
My very first POC for Igus was Gregory A Bruno <greg@midlanticenterprises.com>
He stated not use Silicone and Use Vaseline, a petroleum jelly, instead.
BUT it depends on which bearing liner you use. So maybe you can get us a definitive list of liners and the recommended lubricants to match them. Indeed, it's called Drylin for a reason, the liners are theoretically self-lubricating. I've had years of experience with Nylon (a legacy self-lubricating plastic) but it wore out quickly for applications such as this. I used to use lithium grease for nylon bearings but that's all old school.
Please Zaza. don't think I'm working against your good advice, but we seem to have received conflicting info from Igus.
You do realize that if used dry, the bearing liners must be 'broken in' and that is hard to do with a ZazaSlider since breaking in means about 200 cycles or more under load (to shear some liner molecules onto the rail surface).
OK. gotta run for now.


ZazaCast said:
Hey Zeph... I don't know who you talked to at igus, but we have conflicting information here.
The rep put me in contact with a technical support engineer at igus US (in RI) and he would disagree with you.
I was told NO lubrication was best for the Drylin product.

"DryLin® linear bearings, guides and slide tables are designed to run dry, without the need for the messy lubricants, costly maintenance,
or downtime typically associated with re-circulating ball bearing systems. The DryLin® range is completely resistant to dirt, dust and chemicals
and can even handle underwater applications."

In fact, I mentioned Vaseline (as you had mentioned it before) and again he said it would actually act as a
dust & dirt magnet and create more of a mess...just like any oil or other lubricant.

My only concern is that with so many people chiming in here, people will become confused and might ruin their sliders.
If you could reference where this information came from, perhaps we could put this issue to rest.

Thanks...
-Zaza
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No harm, no foul.
I just go by what I'm told directly by the manufacturer...I figure they know their products best.
This is a public forum so there's no way to control what's posted here. Viewer beware and make your own choices.

igus product is used by Glidetrack, T-Jib, IndiSlider Pro, Kessler and ZazaSlider... and with all the linear motion companies out there... there must be a reason.

So... those who want to investigate more or feel they have a problem, please contact igus directly...or use your lubricant of choice if you feel that helps.

All I can go by is my own experience, and in the two years I've been using my slider, I have never had to lubricate it.
I simply wipe the rail off every now & again with a clear dry cloth. My rail doesn't make an exorbitant amount of noise
and is still smooth as silk. Perhaps it's because I have well more than 200 cycles on it...who knows?

Go forth and slide my slippery friends....:happy:
 
well said my friend. every now and then i return to the first few pages of this thread, just to read things when they were new....it's refreshing...like the first beer of the night.
 
skinny! said:
well said my friend. every now and then i return to the first few pages of this thread, just to read things when they were new....it's refreshing...like the first beer of the night.
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Well IMHO I feel that each successive beer is equally refreshing (and impairing), especially if you are sitting in front of a basket of hot wings.
 
okay.... I just applied a layer of hot wings sauce and my zaza slider tastes better now. I'll try a layer of beer and report back with findings...

Has anyone tried Tabasco sauce?

I'm starving here but there is no sound coming from the slider
 
According to Swedish IGUS supplyer colly.se where I ordered my rail, it's due for delivery tomorrow probably. They sent it to me Thursday, at least.
Can't wait to go out and do some crazy slides.
 
Zephyrnoid, you should probably edit out Greg Bruno's email address. Kind of a no-no to post email on the web, especially of someone else unless you have a huge thing against them. He could get on a spambot list now as well as a lot of flaming from uneducated users in here (not that there are any!).

Also @ Zaza, I have loved this DIY from the beginning and have been helping other people in my video association create these. Can you add to the top post, post #1209: (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1846264&postcount=1209) regarding the WD-40 for tapping the end holes for the end-stop solution? This helped a lot.

Additionally, you should mention that instead of going ahead and tapping a 3/8 hole in the center, you could also tap a 1/4" 20 in the center if you wanted to attach a mounting plate instead for a quick release to your tripod head, rather than screwing directly to the tripod itself.

I recently found an old photographer head by Bogen that will allow me to adjust the rails to 90-degrees vertical, as well as a head for the slider carriage that will level out the camera to 90-degrees it's norm (perpendicular to the ground). Will take some shots to show it off soon....
 
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