D5200 Anyone got it ???

There's a cheaper way to do it: playing with shutter speed or with aperture, or with both. That's what I do go get these graphs:
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And it's what the EBU/BBC does in their evaluations too:
http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3335_s02.pdf
(they're even looser than I am, actually! I use a single spot for calculating that whole graph, and run the test with 3 different ND settings to get 3 curves that overlap and confirm that I'm not doing anything wrong)
 
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I have been talking to Atomos directly regarding the 29.97 fps limitation over HDMI. Obviously, they want this to work as much as we do. They said that they will be at a show in London next week and they expect the D5200 to be on display in Nikon's booth, so they will be able to try it out firsthand then.

In the meantime, they sent me a link to some detailed instructions for capturing footage from the D800 that they think would probably also work with the D5200: http://atomos.activehosted.com/kb/a...kon-d800-to-work-with-the-ninja-1-and-ninja-2

Does anyone here have the camera and a Ninja 2 to try this out on?
 
This is quite impressive, I cannot comment on detail because of youtube compression, but colors etc hold very good at 6400 and even 12 800.

 
Yeah I'm really loving the colors of the Nikon. Been busy with school but hoping to do some more tests. Sadly I don't know anyone local with a external recorder that I could borrow, so I can't test that out. Did a quick and dirty noise removal test with neat video with amazing results hopping to do some more of those.
 
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I have been talking to Atomos directly regarding the 29.97 fps limitation over HDMI. Obviously, they want this to work as much as we do. They said that they will be at a show in London next week and they expect the D5200 to be on display in Nikon's booth, so they will be able to try it out firsthand then.
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I don't understand why they don't just call up Nikon and borrow one. Good to know they're looking into it. The low sticker price of the D5200 should make external recorders attractive to a lot more people. I just wish DSLRs recorded prores internally.
 
I'm not surprised about the low-light capabilities. Nikon has been the high-ISO IQ leader since they released the D3 almost 6 years ago - and the D3s even bested that.
 
Coming from some sensor speculation in the D7100 thread...

Seeing that the D5200 sensor has no aliasing/moire and still the rolling shutter is not hideous and it can't take lots of fps when shooting stills, I'd tend to think that it has in-sensor binning: if shooting video, when the data leaves the sensor, it's probably 2000x1333 (downsampled from the original 6000x4000; this can happen before or after the ADC).

It's not 100% mandatory, but if that's so, the video image could have a very small crop with respect to the stills image (1.04x, so it's 1.58x instead of 1.52x, against 1.62x for the Canon DSLRs). Can somebody with a D5200 test if there's this very small difference in FoV between stills and video? Just put it on a tripod, take a still and a short clip, and compare FoV.
 
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Can somebody with a D5200 test if there's this very small difference in FoV between stills and video? Just put it on a tripod, take a still and a short clip, and compare FoV.
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If I get the camera on Monday like the tracking number suggests, I will be happy to do this test then.
 
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Samuel H said:
Seeing that the D5200 sensor has no aliasing/moire
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How accurate is this statement? The same claims are made for the MK3, although in my experience the MK3 can show both (much reduced, of course, in comparison with previous Canons). Even Nikon (in the manual) warns that moire may be a problem with the D5200. Therefore, shouldn't the claim read "reduced" rather than "none"?
 
^ Yeah, probably...

Then again, most people say the GH2 has no aliasing/moire, and I got it to show moire on a finely-striped shirt. It took me 4 clips at different distances and angles, though, whereas the Canon T2i was looking like hell in all those shots, and the 5N and D800 were somewhere in between, mostly clean but with issues in some of the clips (http://www.vimeo.com/similaar/shootout2012).

I'd guess that nearly every camera with a Bayer sensor will show moire if you're adamant to make it appear. I'd love to have an EPIC at hand to test that out.

So, I'll take that we still don't know enough about this camera, but, from what we've seen so far, I'd call the D5200 moire-free for all practical matters. Same as the 5D3 :)
 
I admit I haven't shot anywhere near as much content with the MKIII as I have with the MKII but I haven't had any aliasing or moire issues with the MKIII at all. The MKII was like living in moire hell! And I mostly shot narrative and did my best to avoid it with wardrobe choices etc.... but it was everywhere no matter what I did to try to avoid it, shaving my actors eyebrows just wasn't an option. I haven't done a side by side comparison with the D5200 myself but from what I've seen so far it looks about on par with the MKIII.
 
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I haven't had any aliasing or moire issues with the MKIII at all.
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I agree that the MK3 is very effective at eliminating m&a. But try, for instance, filming a bar code or a shelf of CDs with a sharp lens handheld... aliasing will probably show up. This is not to say that bar codes are normal subjects that we film, but the reason I mention it is that a box of tea on a table showed it in some footage of mine. I even had a moire pattern show near the side seams of a pair of jeans. Needless to say, sharpening makes things worse.

The Mk3 (as the D5200) do a great job, but at times m&a will appear, not only when you're wanting to demonstrate them.
 
I'm getting horizontal banding in the shadows at proper exposure using the kit 18-55 lens plus an old Nikkor -H 1:2 & a Sigma 70-200 1:2.8 lens in full manual mode at any ISO range. 1/50 in 24p & 30p record more. I turned off sound, NR, HDR. White balance is set to tungsten. Picture control is set at sharpening 0, contrast -3, brightness -1, saturation -1, hue -2. I even put the cover over the eye piece. This looks just like the old GH1 banding issues that never went away. And a real let down.

I did some exterior shots with the same lens using Sunny and auto white balance with the same settings above and the horizontal banding didnt show up in any of my shots. Perhaps the sensor is rated more towards daylight than tungsten.
 
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Here are the results of my HDMI findings so far on the D5200.

You do get an increase in image quality.

I also compare it in the article to the Blackmagic Cinema Camera's ProRes output.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/9730/p...e-nikon-d5200-vs-the-blackmagic-cinema-camera

I don't think it is true 4:2:2 though it definitely is uncompressed.

Rigs - my advice is dude is to try the standard picture profile and leave contrast on its normal setting, don't turn it down more than 1 notch from centre. Keep sharpening on zero and turn off all the other electronic rubbish like HDR, etc. Avoid under exposing the image. Expose 'to the right' if possible. If not possible use a faster aperture than F2.8.
 
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I'm getting horizontal banding in the shadows at proper exposure using the kit 18-55 lens plus an old Nikkor -H 1:2 & a Sigma 70-200 1:2.8 lens in full manual mode at any ISO range. 1/50 in 24p & 30p record more. I turned off sound, NR, HDR. White balance is set to tungsten. Picture control is set at sharpening 0, contrast -3, brightness -1, saturation -1, hue -2. I even put the cover over the eye piece. This looks just like the old GH1 banding issues that never went away. And a real let down.

I did some exterior shots with the same lens using Sunny and auto white balance with the same settings above and the horizontal banding didnt show up in any of my shots. Perhaps the sensor is rated more towards daylight than tungsten.
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Rigs, can you post an example? Thanks!
 
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