D5200 Anyone got it ???

It's not just about the initial quality but how far we can push things to improve the image or adjust it to taste. I think we'd all do with some patience a lot less ACCUSATION and VITRIOL in our comments. Can we PLEASE end all these mini passive aggressive wars against every single post from people on this forum? Let's just post the facts and leave the personal attacks out of it. It's extremely childish and counter productive. If you disagree with someone's conclusions do THOROUGH tests of your own and present the facts for others to observe and make their own decisions on. From what i've seen so far almost no one has done a definitive test that absolutely disproves or proves anything.
 
Danielvilliers said:
Another thing, has the hdmi frame rate issue been resolve. Is there a way to get 24p and 25p from the hdmi output?
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Yeah I pasted a link for the 24p fix, go back a page or 2. There's no 25p fix as yet.

I cancelled my D5200 order, the supplier missed 2 delivery ETA's so I'm just going to try to source one locally tomorrow.
 
PAVP said:
It's not just about the initial quality but how far we can push things to improve the image or adjust it to taste. I think we'd all do with some patience a lot less ACCUSATION and VITRIOL in our comments. Can we PLEASE end all these mini passive aggressive wars against every single post from people on this forum? Let's just post the facts and leave the personal attacks out of it. It's extremely childish and counter productive. If you disagree with someone's conclusions do THOROUGH tests of your own and present the facts for others to observe and make their own decisions on. From what i've seen so far almost no one has done a definitive test that absolutely disproves or proves anything.
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It's actually been quite chilled compared to some of the other camera launch threads in the past... must be 'cause Kholi and Kahl haven't caught onto the D5200 yet. :grin:
 
I agree! And I think that conclusive proof as a requirement for posting an opinion is simply too high a bar. These cameras are not well documented when you really start digging into them. So as long as people are making respectful cogent arguments, I don't see the problem. And I have to say I've really learned a lot from the discussions in this thread. So thank you all very much.
 
Lpowell said:
Custom Profile - Ungraded @ 200% Magnification:
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Aside from minor differences in grading, I see no significant degradation in image quality among these video still frames. This would not be the case if the camera were restricted to using 8-bit precision to map the pixels from the built-in Neutral Profile into the Custom Profile's gamma curve - we'd see coarse banding in shadow details where there were 8-bit round-off errors in the remapped pixel values. The absence of these kind of artifacts indicates that Nikon does use high precision math in the camera's internal image processing.

In my view, these results should serve to vindicate the work you've put into your Flaat Custom Profiles. Tests like these demonstrate that the use of Custom Profiles does not produce perceptible image degradation, either in still-frame JPEG images or in H.264 videos.
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Ok, now we're talking, that's a very relevant test, thank you very much :)

You have the original video files and can look at this better: in the dark parts of the pushed-up video (triangle below the pink flower, space between the two green leaves in the lower-right corner), don't you see spots of deep black dancing on top of a seas of clearly-not-so-dark pixels, with nothing in between? If you don't, maybe the D5100 doesn't have the issue, which could bode well for the D5200 because it might mean it's a sensor issue (lower-bit-depth ADC for video, probably) and not a processing issue.
 
Samuel H said:
Yes, it could be. But I'm seeing that heavily posterized noise in the shadows in anything shot with the most extreme Flaat profiles, not just that clip.

I would love it if I could get, when shooting video with a very aggressive profile, the same shadow detail of jpeg stills shot with that same profile. But it seems not to be the case, to me it seems that for stills the camera works on a high-bit-depth source, and for video it is a low-bit-depth source. My guess is that it is the debayering that is creating the issue. It could also be sensor readout: the CMV12000 can do 150 fps when using 10-bit ADC but only 90 fps when using 12-bit ADC, maybe the D800 needs to use a lower-depth ADC to get 30fps out of the sensor
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You are absolutely right Sam, the shadows when you shoot flat in video mode on the D5200 are horrible compared to the 8bit JPEGs with the same flat picture profile settings. This is where 8bit gets a bad reputation and it shouldn't. Other things are at work here as you note.

As I said in my review you have to shoot pre-graded with this camera, the flat image in-camera just brings you a ton of banding even at ISO 200.

Shoot contrasty in-cam and the noise levels are really low even at high ISOs.
 
Andrew Reid said:
You are absolutely right Sam, the shadows when you shoot flat in video mode on the D5200 are horrible compared to the 8bit JPEGs with the same flat picture profile settings. This is where 8bit gets a bad reputation and it shouldn't. Other things are at work here as you note.

As I said in my review you have to shoot pre-graded with this camera, the flat image in-camera just brings you a ton of banding even at ISO 200.

Shoot contrasty in-cam and the noise levels are really low even at high ISOs.
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Bummer. Expected, but bummer.

Would you like to try the old Flaat_13 profile that I pulled out of the D800 suite because these issues made it nearly useless? (PM with email address if you do) (same for Lpowell on the D5100, btw)
 
From what I've seen the sensor does appear to behave differently to other DSLRs, there's a lot of recoverable shadow detail even with a crushed profile that would just be mush on the MKIII.
 
I just pick up a d5200 with the kit 15-55 lens to see what the buzz was and I'm impressed with the first hour I got to play with this cool little camera. Did some quick shots in 24p high in standard, portrait and neutral picture profile with the camera set in manual mode and this baby holds up very good at several iso's. The neutral profile does show allot of noise in the shadows but in standard and portrait the shadows are clean. Coming from the GH2 world the d5200 lacks all the noise and macro blocks inherent in the blue channels and it pulls up a ton of detail out of the shadows in grading. So far do good, cant wait to take it out for a spin in the daylight and see how it holds up to the GH2.
 
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There was a delay with my D5200 order so I cancelled it. I'm wondering whether the D7100 not having an OLPF is going to generate moire. It's my understanding that the D800E doesn't exhibit any more moire in video than the D800, is that correct?

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/features05.htm

The specs on the D7100 bring it much closer to the 5D MKIII. Kelvin white balance adjustment, bigger batteries, headphone jack, weathersealing, and better LCD are more important to me than an articulating screen. There's also a chance Nikon have tuned the sensor a little better and reduced the fixed pattern noise.
 
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squig, from what i've seen I think the Moire is worse in the D800E in video mode. I think overall tho most would be using a Mosaic Filter on the D800/800E anyway.

I actually think that perhaps this time with the D7100 it might not make much difference and could give a bit more detail. The D5200 has such low Aliasing/Moire that maybe we can get away with it and live with a bit more on the D7100 in exchange for a bit more detail. Who knows? I can't wait to see some video on the D7100.
 
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