D300s positive news? Some manual controls?

Zim

Zim

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This guy posted this at DPR. I hope he is right. My Okinawa Letters project is going to need both video and pictures. It would be great to have it all in one.


3) using VIDEO: for those who THINK the video is the same as the D90: think again! Testing the 720p video on an SD card, I panned the D300s and there is very very little "jello effect". Although I'm not a big fan of video, I took it out to film outside (filming traffic) and panned smoothly from left to right: no jello effect. I was shocked! I couldn't believe how good the video is. I liked the fact you could manually select your apreture for shallow depth of field when shooting (quite intimate).
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=32665912


a review
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0907/09073007nikond300s.asp
 
"Thank you for contacting Nikon regarding the D300S,

The D300S camera uses Auto ISO and Auto SHUTTER in the D-Movie mode but I will forward your suggestion on as a Design & Quality suggestion. These are collected all over the world from Nikon customer and technical support and forwarded on to Nikon in Japan for use in new product design.

At present there are no firmware updates. I am afraid that Nikon cannot make any specific comment about future products, including any plans for official announcements or specifications of these products. When information is available on any new products it will be made available in the News section of our European websites home page.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us with this request.

If you have any further queries regarding this matter, please click the link above to update your question.

Kind Regards"




C'est la vie!
 
This has nothing to do with firmware updates. A new camera doesn't firmware updates. Nikon can fix the problem the D90 had and out rolls the new camera.

"I liked the fact you could manually select your apreture for shallow depth of field when shooting (quite intimate)."

If this is true it would be a nice add on.
 
Zim said:
Although I'm not a big fan of video
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Well that's a big clue to the validity of this poster right there. There's a good chance he might not quite be up to speed on video related things.

I took it out to film outside (filming traffic) and panned smoothly from left to right: no jello effect. I was shocked!
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I can pan the D90 slowly and not get Jello. Slowly being the key to that. I don't see the big deal here.

I couldn't believe how good the video is. I liked the fact you could manually select your apreture for shallow depth of field when shooting (quite intimate).http://www.dpreview.com/news/0907/09073007nikond300s.asp
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It remains to be seen that if like the D90 he thought he was manually selecting aperture but really had no real control what-so-ever. I remember this being a large source of confusion early on with the D90.
 
I hope the guy is right but we are just going to have to wait till they hit the street in a few weeks.
 
Zim said:
This has nothing to do with firmware updates. A new camera doesn't firmware updates. Nikon can fix the problem the D90 had and out rolls the new camera.

"I liked the fact you could manually select your apreture for shallow depth of field when shooting (quite intimate)."

If this is true it would be a nice add on.
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This has everything to do with a future firmware update, because as it exists out the box, there isn't manual control. I asked if the D300S allowed the user to select D-MOVIE mode's ISO and SHUTTER. The answer from Nikon Support is clear as day, it is AUTO only, and they wont comment on any future implementation.

Also, we've always been able to manually select the aperture.
 
the d90 lets you set the aperture too, doesn't it? i only use manual lenses so i forget, but i thought in "a" mode it used the aperture set before entering live view (yeah i know you can't change it during a shot).

EDIT: too late
 
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janmi said:
But now you can select the aperture for G-type lenses also. You can't do that with D90, now can you?
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Yes I can, I own several. The 18-105mm kit lens is a G-type lens. I can set the aperture before I go into Liveview.

Whether the D300S allows me to do it during liveview is a useless feature to be fair.
 
janmi said:
But now you can select the aperture for G-type lenses also. You can't do that with D90, now can you?
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BandanDan is right. You can set aperature on any lens, on the D90. There's nothing new with the D300s video. it's exactly the same as the D90.
 
This is old news. It was in all the pressreleases. You have manual control over the aperture, but not the iso or shutterspeed. Wich means it's still very crippled.

I haven't seen anything on this, but serveral sources says there is less yello. what remains to be seen is how much less. I'd say if it's like RED/EX1 it's acceptible. Anything beyond that I'm not to happy about it.

I allways wondered why we don't get any rolling shutter artifacts in stills. Can anyone explaine this? Barry?
 
Physical shutter is closed. Electronic shutter opens. Physical shutter opens. Physical shutter closes. Electronic shutter closes. The image is thus only exposed by the physical shutter which is much much faster.
 
so it is auto ISO in video mode? Since you can change the ISO for pictures that does not change the ISO in video?


chagchag said:
This is old news. It was in all the pressreleases. You have manual control over the aperture, but not the iso or shutterspeed. Wich means it's still very crippled.

I haven't seen anything on this, but serveral sources says there is less yello. what remains to be seen is how much less. I'd say if it's like RED/EX1 it's acceptible. Anything beyond that I'm not to happy about it.

I allways wondered why we don't get any rolling shutter artifacts in stills. Can anyone explaine this? Barry?
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I understand that NIkon is trying to appeal a broader consumer, most of which would never ever want to control shutter and ISO manually...HOWEVER, there is a huge market of people that need to. It's not like they have to worry about protecting a video line of cameras either...unless of course they are saving full manual for one of their full frame cameras. I also still dont understand how all these companies are putting huge chips in DSLR that can produce pretty good video, yet none of them are doing it in their video line of cameras? WTF Just look at the 35mm adapter market. Those guys are doing alright for themselves, it's clear people want more control over things such as D.O.F whilst still having control over exposure etc. Why cant I have everything I want, God, its just not fair. hahaha




Thats my rant
 
zergtherobot said:
I understand that NIkon is trying to appeal a broader consumer, most of which would never ever want to control shutter and ISO manually...
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then why do they buy an slr and why do the slr's have a manual mode for stills? i still think it's because live view is designed to always give you a well exposed image for framing when shooting stills, and the video function was simply added on top of that.
 
mattsand said:
then why do they buy an slr and why do the slr's have a manual mode for stills? i still think it's because live view is designed to always give you a well exposed image for framing when shooting stills, and the video function was simply added on top of that.
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True, movie mode is simply a subset of live view, but this is all price-point stuff that's going on, isn't it, as it always has with still cameras. The D90 does most of what the D300 did, but it has video. But now there's a new D300 that does a bit more, but wait for the D700 replacement. It's highly likely movie mode will turn out the same, viz. 720p, 1080p, etc, automatic this manual that, 5k for a distant D3 replacement, and on and on and on.

What's disturbing about it is that useful things (like manual control) can be locked away from the user in one camera and unlocked in another, even though those useful things are in both cameras. You bought it, it's in there, but you can't get at it. And this is probably a manufacturing expediency. That didn't happen in the old world of film cameras. There's more manufacturer control from a distance going on now.
 
That sounds dangerous to me. Isn't it possible competition might attract loyal customers who don't appreciate having video features doled out like Tiny Tim's gruel? Nikon is already behind...I was hoping they'd at least catch up with the d300s. I really don't think that dog will hunt.
 
I was thinking when my first Nikon was all manual. no autofocus or anything. Now they do it all and most of the time pretty darn well too. I wish I could turn on the camera take picture and video and never worry about all the details. But we know that isn't always going to work.
 
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