CS5 Launch Event... Ppro silence

Here's something to think about... my station is all Avid. Everything. They offer the complete package that Adobe and Apple don't... editing machines, news script writing software (iNews), and playback servers. From the moment the P2 card leaves the photog's camera 'till them time you see the final package on the air, it's all Avid. That is probably why PPro and FCP (especially PPRo) aren't making more inroads in the broadcast. Once you edit something... how are you getting it to air?
 
scapsinger said:
Agreed w/ evenbutson...the cost of the GTX 285 is just about NOTHING considering what it gives you in terms of performance for a one time investment of like $300.

I'm only guessing, but I would suppose that the GTX 285 will deliver all the power needed for most users. The higher users in major motion picture work will want (and need) more, but most of us will probably quite satisfied with the bottom level supported card.
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I’m a gamer as well as doing video editing.

Don’t waist your time on this

GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3


they are being phased out to the point that there hard to get and for good reason!

For only about $50 more you can now get this

GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 :thumbsup:

I know which id prefer!!!
 
As for gaming...well, my production computer only does production jobs. So even though I enjoy a little gaming, I don't do it on that machine.

Also, keep in mind that gaming and content creation work VERY differently. What is a top-notch system for one may be underpowered OR overkill for the other. Gaming is primarily concerned with FPS and rendering all the shadows and vectors for gameplay. The engines that make that happen so fluidly are useless for just about all kinds of production.

Also, since the GTX470 is not on the current list of supported cards NOR the "proposed" list of soon-to-be-supported cards that the Adobe techs have mentioned, I'd say your suggestion is ill-advised for people hoping to take advantage of Mercury in CS5.

Keep in mind...if your card is NOT on the very short list of cards that are SUPPORTED for Mercury, then the card WILL NOT be utilized for Mercury. You will still have hardware support for Mercury through your processor and such, but the GPU will NOT be involved.

So again, if you want Mercury Playback to utilize your GPU, then don't spend an extra $50 for a card that is not supported (the GTX 470). It doesn't matter if it seems like a better card, or IS a better card for editing or gaming or whatever, it won't work. End of story. Fin. Period.

That being said, the GTX 480 - which is a Fermi card - is supposed to be added to the supported cards list within the next 3-4 months. Still, until you see it on that list, I would wait. Buying a GTX 285 guarantees results TODAY. Buying a 470 or a 485 is a complete shot in the dark for Mercury Playback.

Hopefully I've stressed this point well enough :)
 
Well if you only trust that the 285 will support it then you’d better get one “quick”

PC stores don’t think, “oh, lets keep getting the 285 for the premiere CS5 users when it’s out”, they think of cash, and the NVIDIA 285 is “old news” for gamers. They think that the people who aren’t gamers will just want something that’s $150 or less, or they’ll go for the big pro cards like the Quadro’s, not a game card!

A lot of the online stores around here have taking the 285 off their price lists already, (because the ATI game graphics cards have been better) and the ones that haven’t are order only.
 
Phil vG said:
Well if you only trust that the 285 will support it then you’d better get one “quick”

PC stores don’t think, “oh, lets keep getting the 285 for the premiere CS5 users when it’s out”, they think of cash, and the NVIDIA 285 is “old news” for gamers. They think that the people who aren’t gamers will just want something that’s $150 or less, or they’ll go for the big pro cards like the Quadro’s, not a game card!

A lot of the online stores around here have taking the 285 off their price lists already, (because the ATI game graphics cards have been better) and the ones that haven’t are order only.
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Cannot stress this enough. The ONLY cards that will provide acceleration with the Mercury Playback Engine are those on the supported list from Adobe. People need to be VERY clear that CUDA support in a card alone is not enough, the card has to be explicitly supported by Adobe to get hardware acceleration with the Mercury Playback Engine. This is not a case of 'recommended' cards like Avid, where other cards will work but just not officially supported by Adobe. It is a case of if the card is not on the list, Premiere will not see it as being available for acceleration and will not allow hardware acceleration to be selected. Period. As far as running games on an NLE goes, I can only shake my head. Back when I was working for a VAR, the way I would explain it to clients was I would point to the NLE and say 'see this, it looks like a computer, it smells like a computer, it even probably tastes like a computer, but it is not a computer it is a Non Linear Edit Suite. Treat it as such and it will run reliably and stably for you. Treat it like a computer, putting Outlook and Word and WOW etc on the machine, and it will crash JUST like a computer'
 
“You all probably know this already but I’ll say it anyway”.

Gaming cards like the 285 are power hungry and will suck the life out of your pc.
A friend and I have been building our own pc’s for over 10 years. He owns his own computer business and I build mine just for the fun of it.
A couple of years ago he did a pc upgrade for himself with a (no name) 750W PSU, but didn’t change the VC. The pc was running fine with its NVIDIA 7950gt VC. Then when he finally upgraded to a GTX 260 the pc started to reboot for no apparent reason. He went and got himself a better brand and quality PSU like mine (which was only a 620W) and hasn’t had a random reboot since.

Now don’t say, “Yes, but we wont be playing games with it”, because if the Mercury Playback is going to be using the GPU instead of the CPU then it’s working the same as a game!

So be careful, the last thing you want is a switch of / reboot half way through a long render or conversion!

:laugh: that’s a bit of a funny read with all those acronyms!
 
I'm a photographer just getting into video using the Canon 5DII. This is all new to me but it seems that Premiere Pro CS5 is superior to FC just with its abiltity to instantly drop the native h.264 camera files on the timeline and start editing without having to transcode the camera's native files to Pro Res first. And of course PS CS5extended is also included in the production suite which obviously has appeal to me.

I'm really drawn to the new 27" 2.8 GHz I7 Imac. There seems to be preference for PC to run Premiere Pro CS5 here. Will the Imac run it just as well or are there problems I'm not considering. Would kinda like to go with the Mac just in case FC is in my future.

Thanks so much for any advice. There's obviously many years of experience in this thread.
 
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f64manray said:
I'm really drawn to the new 27" 2.8 GHz I7 Imac. There seems to be preference for PC to run Premiere Pro CS5 here. Will the Imac run it just as well or are there problems I'm not considering. Would kinda like to go with the Mac just in case FC is in my future.
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I don't know about the configuration options on the Mac you mentioned, but I do know that the graphics card plays a major role with Premiere Pro in CS5. The most cost efficient option right now is the GTX 285. There is very likely going to be support soon for the new GTX 480. Those are very cheap when compared to the Quadro cards.

Find out which of the supported cards for Premiere Pro CS5 are available for your Mac. That might be one way to start considering whether to go PC or Mac.

As for FCP in the future...who knows. It probably depends on too many different variables to really know. What I can say is that I've been using Premiere Pro exclusively for over 8 years, and I've never had any trouble getting my editing jobs done (for a profit, even). :)
 
Mike Harvey said:
Once you edit something... how are you getting it to air?
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Depends on what you are doing.
Render it out to any codec you want, send it to a server or record it on tape.

That´s the 3 things we do here and I can´t think of much more.

Mike Harvey said:
They offer the complete package that Adobe and Apple don't...
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Like Scriptwriting, importing that script as a shotlist into a slick camera capturing program, sending the good shots from there direct to the timeline in the right order (and only fine tuning from there) selecting single clips and sending them to one of the most powerful compositing application or sound editor, everything without first render out the single clips and reimporting them...the list goes on - you get the idea. If you use the power of that workflow you save at least 50% of time.

Frank
 
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Frank, I was thinking more along the lines of news writing. A news room operates differently than a post house. Avid's Scriptwriting software iNews also integrates into news feeds, includes both instant messaging and a faux email, and allows you to create and update the graphics while we're on air. Avid also has entire server systems that integrate into both iNews and Newscutter, as well as their Deko on air graphics playback software and for us Grass Valley's Ignite studio automation system. It really is designed specifically for a TV news setup in a way Adobe (unfortunately) doesn't offer.
 
scapsinger said:
I don't know about the configuration options on the Mac you mentioned, but I do know that the graphics card plays a major role with Premiere Pro in CS5. The most cost efficient option right now is the GTX 285. There is very likely going to be support soon for the new GTX 480. Those are very cheap when compared to the Quadro cards.

Find out which of the supported cards for Premiere Pro CS5 are available for your Mac. That might be one way to start considering whether to go PC or Mac.

As for FCP in the future...who knows. It probably depends on too many different variables to really know. What I can say is that I've been using Premiere Pro exclusively for over 8 years, and I've never had any trouble getting my editing jobs done (for a profit, even). :)
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I called Apple and I am able to confirm that the Imac 27" quadcore I7 2.8 GHz machine is running the ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512 MB). The card probably has better specs than the GTX 285, though I realize if it's not a listed card CS5 Pro just won't utilize it for some features, but CS5 Pro will still run on the Imac just not quite as fast, correct?

Would anyone know if the Adobe plans to list the ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512MB) card as supported?
 
f64manray said:
Would anyone know if the Adobe plans to list the ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512MB) card as supported?
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Not anytime soon. When they started designing the Mercury Engine, ATI's OpenCL wasn't done yet, but CUDA was, so they went with that. Right now they're just working on CUDA (with plans to support ATI down the road at some point when OpenCL is ready).
 
Mike Harvey said:
Not anytime soon. When they started designing the Mercury Engine, ATI's OpenCL wasn't done yet, but CUDA was, so they went with that. Right now they're just working on CUDA (with plans to support ATI down the road at some point when OpenCL is ready).
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Thanks! Just how much performance would I be giving up if I use the ATI Radeon 4850? It's a long thread, but it seems I remember someone saying the speed was still excellent with a non supported card, correct?

....or maybe I should just go with a PC & Windows 7?
 
I made a post about this already, but from what i've seen and read, avoid ATI with Adobe products. Go for Nvidia.
 
f64manray said:
Thanks! Just how much performance would I be giving up if I use the ATI Radeon 4850? It's a long thread, but it seems I remember someone saying the speed was still excellent with a non supported card, correct?
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I was running CS4 with a ATI Radeon and it works just great.
On CS5 with the Mercury engine it´s a different game.

You can run CS5 with an Radeon, but the Mercury engine will be sleeping.

I´m kinda in the same boat. Just received Premiere CS5 2 hours ago but all my machines have Radeons.

Duh!

Looks like I have to go shopping this afternoon, the tension is killing me.

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
I was running CS4 with a ATI Radeon and it works just great.
On CS5 with the Mercury engine it´s a different game.

You can run CS5 with an Radeon, but the Mercury engine will be sleeping.

I´m kinda in the same boat. Just received Premiere CS5 2 hours ago but all my machines have Radeons.

Duh!

Looks like I have to go shopping this afternoon, the tension is killing me.

Frank
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Well, I think I've given up going the Imac route, and am now pursuing HP Elite and DELL and that isn't even working out. The closest card they offer to upgrade to is the GTX 260. It seems like my only option is to order a system and upgrade the card and power supply after I receive it, and that's something I really wanted to avoid. I can't believe this is that difficult to order a system with the specs I require.
 
those with experience in CS5 already

those with experience in CS5 already

What are your workstation specs and what kind of performance have you been getting out of CS5?

I just ordered my CS5 upgrade and an nVidia Quadro FX 3800. I hope they will show up sometime next week.

My system is a dual Xeon DC (5150 2.66Ghz) running Vista Business 64bit I even have 20GB / RAM, but with P2 DVCPROHD footage it got sluggish in CS4 on the timeline, and required rendering to playback anything longer than a few seconds.

Basically what I'm asking is: Will I be happy I dropped the $1600 bucks?
 
That doesn't sound right at all, Collink. Is your Vista fully updated? What's the resolution of your DVCPRO HD footage?

I can edit all day with no slowdown on my 2.66 Quad (O.C.'d to 3.2GHz) using DVCPRO HD at 720 24pn.
 
I think I have all the latest Vista updates, what should I look for? It's 720p. I should have mentioned that is with a Quadro FX 1500 card, and I'm using a Blackmagic Design timeline so I can preview out of an Intensity Pro card. Is that holding me back?

CK
 
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