Cinemorph Anamorphic-ish Filter

Been reading but not sure so I'll ask..... I'e got a 60D with an older nikon 50mm 1.8 (AI-S) 52mm front end. So I should order the 62mm filter and use a step up ring?
How's that going to affect the filter performance? (or will it?) (I ask because you recommended NOT using the big filter and then using step ups) or should I just try to get the filter that closest to the filter size of the lens?
 
vidatlantic said:
Yes, thats correct the 62 signifies a 62mm filter size (both front and back). The 67 signifies a 67mm and 77 means 77mm. You will simply need step up or down rings to use on smaller or larger compatible lenses.
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Good, just wanted to be certain! I live in Sweden, the country where everything is expensive, so just wanted to check in case I order some step-up rings!
 
videohog said:
Been reading but not sure so I'll ask..... I'e got a 60D with an older nikon 50mm 1.8 (AI-S) 52mm front end. So I should order the 62mm filter and use a step up ring?
How's that going to affect the filter performance? (or will it?) (I ask because you recommended NOT using the big filter and then using step ups) or should I just try to get the filter that closest to the filter size of the lens?
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It wont affect the performance at all by using a step ring. And you should still try to get the closest fit as possible.

If you go with a large filter on a smaller lens like the 50mm f1.8, the bokeh element is slightly larger than the CineMorph 62mm version. Which means the 50mm lens will shoot past the element slightly causing the oval bokeh to not be as smooth or round on the top and bottom. It'll still work fine and give you vertically stretched bokeh and a streak, but the closer the match the better.
 
Gabel said:
Good, just wanted to be certain! I live in Sweden, the country where everything is expensive, so just wanted to check in case I order some step-up rings!
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Haha, I love everything Swedish! Is it really that expensive over there?
 
vidatlantic said:
Haha, I love everything Swedish! Is it really that expensive over there?
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Well some stuff is. A step ring costs me $40 over here, which is far from ideal!

The reason I'm asking is because I have a mattebox and is looking into getting step rings for all my lenses, to have the same size!
 
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Just wondering, couldn't it be possible to get the largest size, and get step-up/step-down rings to create space between the lens if its lets say just one size larger than needed? I have an old Olympus 100mm 2.8 lens (49mm thread) that worked with a Singer 16-D just fine (not as sharp though) and would probably have to get the 62mm lens size to put on it, would I have to space out the two lenses to make it work or can I just put it right on with one step up ring? Thanks.
 
PremiumImageStudios said:
Just wondering, couldn't it be possible to get the largest size, and get step-up/step-down rings to create space between the lens if its lets say just one size larger than needed? I have an old Olympus 100mm 2.8 lens (49mm thread) that worked with a Singer 16-D just fine (not as sharp though) and would probably have to get the 62mm lens size to put on it, would I have to space out the two lenses to make it work or can I just put it right on with one step up ring? Thanks.
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The 62mm CineMorph will work just fine on that lens using a step up ring. Using step up or down rings wont effect the results. If your lens is compatible, then the filter will work using 1 or 2 step rings or even no step rings on certain lenses.

By compatible, I mean, recommended for now. There are way too many lenses out there right now to make a solid list of what will work and what wont. We recommend your lens to be prime and fast. If it has a small front 49mm to 58mm then use the 62mm CineMorph. If it has a larger front then go for the 67mm or 77mm versions but try to get it as close as possible to your front lens size. Also remember to use 50mm and tighter lenses on crop frame cameras and 75mm and tighter on full frame cameras like the 5D.

We're still working on coming up with a version for wider lenses...
 
Can this cinemorph filter be used with Fader ND? I'm just trying to think of how to control the DOF when shooting outside...
 
awelgraven said:
Can this cinemorph filter be used with Fader ND? I'm just trying to think of how to control the DOF when shooting outside...
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from my initial exploring I'd say an ND filter would be a good bet....it seems you can't go past around f3.2 (on a T2i with the "nifty fifty" lense) without losing the oval shaped bokeh....I say f3.2 but with the 2 stops of light loss that's actually f5.2.....i'll have a photo example soon
 
here's what I'm talking about, keep in mind I'm not a technical genius so I might be missing something, but it just seems that once the aperture gets past a certain point the lens can't see the oval in the filter....

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i'm just about to grab a variable ND filter, cos I plan on shooting outside and i won't be able to expose anything properly without one
 
Yeah you can definitely use an ND filter, and in some cases in bright enviroments, its needed. We use the lightcraft workshop fader ND. Its awesome! And the CineMorph filter frames have threading on the front so its not an issue to mount them.

Weirdly enough, a 2 stop light loss isnt enough of a light loss in some situtations and an ND filter is great if you dont want to boost your shutter speed to bring down the levels even more.

If you stop down too much then, you can see in the photos above that the top and bottom of the oval bokeh get cut off. You still get a vertically stretched bokeh, but it simply wont be as oval. You can also see similar results in this video we shot http://vimeo.com/19796520
Its stretch nice and vertical but you wont always get a perfect oval. And then if you stop down too much, you wont get any effect from the oval bokeh element in the filter as your lens is shooting past it.
 
vidatlantic said:
Yeah you can definitely use an ND filter, and in some cases in bright enviroments, its needed. We use the lightcraft workshop fader ND. Its awesome! And the CineMorph filter frames have threading on the front so its not an issue to mount them.

Weirdly enough, a 2 stop light loss isnt enough of a light loss in some situtations and an ND filter is great if you dont want to boost your shutter speed to bring down the levels even more.

If you stop down too much then, you can see in the photos above that the top and bottom of the oval bokeh get cut off. You still get a vertically stretched bokeh, but it simply wont be as oval. You can also see similar results in this video we shot http://vimeo.com/19796520
Its stretch nice and vertical but you wont always get a perfect oval. And then if you stop down too much, you wont get any effect from the oval bokeh element in the filter as your lens is shooting past it.
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one other question, if you look at the f1.8 shot in my pic above...some of the bokeh is a full oval (towards the bottom of the picture) but some seem a bit cropped (nearer the top)...

could this have something to do with the distance from the lens?, or could it be from the shape of the thing thats out of focus?....

because the iron man figure i used does have a few wierd shapes....

EDIT: also I did end up getting a variable ND filter, should be here in a week or so....it said it had up to 8 stops so that should be fine...lol...
 
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The filter looks great! I love it! Good job on it guys! I haven't bought one yet as I'm waiting for one that I can use on my 58mm 1.2 for the full frame 5D.

What about a filter with a bladed aperture system that allows the user to control the size of the oval? So for instance... a 77mm filter thread (one large enough to adapt to most lenses) with a 15+ bladed aperture system that allows control over the oval size (while retaining the same characteristics of the cinemorphic filter). This would prevent the need to have multiple filters and may solve the issue with imperfect oval bokeh.

The filter itself would probably be a bit larger but nothing monstrous. Is that within the realm of what's possible for you guys?
 
The filter threads on the front of the CineMorph match the same size as the back. So if you have a CineMorph 58 filter, then th front and back threads will be 58mm.

The strange bokeh in the picture is mix of the both the action figure and the filter. You can see that it's still stretched vertically, or smeared a bit up and down, but the top and bottom arent perfectly round. And also I dont thin that the action figure is putting off a direct point of light to create perfect circle either.

As for making a filter (or device) that can adjust the size of the shape, well, that would certainly be ideal. It all started sort of with that idea in mind but it was at the back of the lens and allowed more light to come in.
It's definitely possible to design a something like that. And it wouldnt need to be all that big even. It would probably be just as big as a small matte box, so it would actually look pretty cool in the end. We'll see what we come up with if the interest is there down the road...
 
Can anyone post a pic on the WITH and WITHOUT the filter screenshot?

I am interested to see the comparison between normal lens shot and with this Anamorphic filter (Nikon lenses preferably...hahaahaha:D
 
kicap said:
Can anyone post a pic on the WITH and WITHOUT the filter screenshot?

I am interested to see the comparison between normal lens shot and with this Anamorphic filter (Nikon lenses preferably...hahaahaha:D
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Here is a video showing the same shots before and after on the Canon 5D Mk2 and an old Nikon 85mm f2. http://vimeo.com/20257510


And Andrei J, a 58mm f1.2 may actually work with little to no vignetting on the 5D. The reason I say this is because last week I was able to test out someones 50mm f1.2 (older Nikon) lens on the 5D with the CineMorph 58 and it had less vignetting. So I'm guessing that having a slightly tighter focal lenght at the same f-stop like that would give a similar if not better result. What kind of lens is it? and more importantly, how big is the front filter diameter of the lens?
 
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vidatlantic: Yes, i am fully aware of that video, it is just that I am interested to see from a buyer review/ test run...I hope you would not get offended by my statement here...

It is always good to get buyers review on this kinda thing because I have come across another good link on Anamorphic lenses and its filter from this guy:

http://www.eoshd.com/content/554-The-EOSHD-Anamorphic-Shooters-Guide-shoot-4K-on-DSLRs

I just want to do a bit more homework before purchasing any of these anamorphic tools (be it the lens or filter).

Thanks
 
kicap said:
vidatlantic: Yes, i am fully aware of that video, it is just that I am interested to see from a buyer review/ test run...I hope you would not get offended by my statement here...<br />
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No problem, I understand now.
 
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