Cinemorph Anamorphic-ish Filter

vidatlantic said:
Roei, I just made the CineMorph vimeo videos downloadable for anyone who wants have a closer look. The Loxahatchee Sunset video is untouched by color grading and whatnot.
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great ! can you please also make the playing toddler video available? (the ungraded one)
thanks.
BTW i still wait for your answer on my 72/52 filter size questions i PM'ed you last night..
 
vcassel said:
Besides being very third world country like and at one time having the highest rate of AIDS per capita in the United States, you may not want to take a fancy looking car or show off your gear in the streets. People have been known to have been followed and then disappear. I wish I could say I was joking or exaggerating.
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Yeah, you can never have enough experience around those kinds of enviroments. I spent time in 3rd world countries (and SE Washington DC, lol!) and you're right, it really did strike me as 3rd world out there. Most of the towns around the lake were like that I think. I guess when I said Americana at its finest, I meant in a very real and heartbreaking way.

Also, I notice its like the desert out here...except with canals and swamps so there are plenty of places to have people disappear. I think Florida has always had this problem.
 
This is awesome for all those that wanted the anamorphic look. For me this has been the last hurdle for indie filmakers to emulate the cinema film look. Until now we have had ultra expensive solution or unpractical ones for filmmakers, not the odd test we see every-time. It might end the nonsense we have seen on used and unpractical solution. Every-time I see used Panasonic la7200 adapter being proposed at higher prices than new ones found at BH. Since the Iscorama has shot from the $ 400 to the $ 3000 price, it seems that just putting the term anamorphic you can increase the price tenfold.

I am sure that it will be a success and when it comes out, I will sure buy it. Even if two of them are needed, if the price is competitive, I don't think it will be a big problem. I find the image seems to be a little bit squeezed in the horizontal plane like a true anamorphic lens. There seems to need some stretch to re-balance the image. For me it is not a problem at all. Once the resolution is kept, stretching it in post is no problem. More so that it is not that much so we are not going to deal with a 2x stretch, a 1.3 putting it right in the 2.35 ratio will be nice. If you can get us some footage or frame grab without the matte it would be nice.

I think you should clearly do some test with the gh2. At this point in time, it is really the best dslr video camera by far. With the crop sensor it might be easier to deal with vignetting and the resolution will ensure that any stretch will have no big impact. It will also open you the market for the Af-100 market.
 
Danielvilliers said:
This is awesome for all those that wanted the anamorphic look. For me this has been the last hurdle for indie filmakers to emulate the cinema film look. Until now we have had ultra expensive solution or unpractical ones for filmmakers, not the odd test we see every-time. It might end the nonsense we have seen on used and unpractical solution. Every-time I see used Panasonic la7200 adapter being proposed at higher prices than new ones found at BH. Since the Iscorama has shot from the $ 400 to the $ 3000 price, it seems that just putting the term anamorphic you can increase the price tenfold.

I am sure that it will be a success and when it comes out, I will sure buy it. Even if two of them are needed, if the price is competitive, I don't think it will be a big problem. I find the image seems to be a little bit squeezed in the horizontal plane like a true anamorphic lens. There seems to need some stretch to re-balance the image. For me it is not a problem at all. Once the resolution is kept, stretching it in post is no problem. More so that it is not that much so we are not going to deal with a 2x stretch, a 1.3 putting it right in the 2.35 ratio will be nice. If you can get us some footage or frame grab without the matte it would be nice.

I think you should clearly do some test with the gh2. At this point in time, it is really the best dslr video camera by far. With the crop sensor it might be easier to deal with vignetting and the resolution will ensure that any stretch will have no big impact. It will also open you the market for the Af-100 market.
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Yeah, definitely would love to do some GH2 testing, we just dont have one nearby at the moment. Anyone in South Florida with a GH2 or AF100 reading this and wants to test these things, let us know!

Doesnt the GH1, GH2 have a smaller crop frame than the 7D? If so than maybe a 35mm lens could work with the existing filters. If not we are trying to come up with a device that allows for wider lenses. It should be in the coming weeks.

In the mean time we've updated the info on the site regarding the compatibility and limitations of the current filters. www.vid-atlantic.com/cinemorphic
 
We are making a before and after filter video and we'll probably leave it uncropped or unletterboxed at your request. And yes, some of the clips do seem vertically stretched. That was done purposely in post on certain shots (the shots with people mainly) to help give the extra anamorphic look. Even when we shot with real anamorphic lenses, we would always leave it stretched a bit so that it screamed 'Anamorphic'. Remember, the point of this filter is to acheive the look of anamorphics. It was initially made as a companion to shooting with real anamorphic lenses and we would simply use the filter when we needed run and gun selective rack focusing capabilities that are pretty much impossible with real anamorphic lens combos.
 
why so hostile?
show me a sample of your fix, and if it looks the same and shows excellent results as this filter i might think about it..
i on the other hand prefers to trust a well build device that seems more reliable than your suggested fix.
(no i'm not a hidden agent, i just want nice anamorphics, and if by a miracle i could get a budget on real good ones i'll pass this and pay more money)
 
Well, he's correct to some extent. We do use a similar rotating frame, but much stronger and thicker I think. And we also use special glass that lessens the amount of refraction and minimizes light loss. We've tried quite a few types. And I dont think popping glass out of and then putting back into a filter is that easy, is it? And then acurately adding the flare / streak element to it can be tricky.

We've also been able to reduce the amount of time going in to the assembly and the price of the parts. We announced officially a few days ago that we were dropping the price down to $150 and maybe even $125 if we can secure an even better price in the coming days.

You can also make your own Zacuto Z-Finders for much cheaper then $400, or EVF's cheaper than $1k. Rod supports cheaper than $600 and so on. There are plenty of DIY methods out there for everything, infact everything out there at some point was DIY. As I stated in an early post, we've taken several methods that have been around for decades and rolled them into one with a polished look, thats all. It started out as a neccessity for us to have rack focusing ability yet still needing anamorphic bokeh and flares and like our other products many people asked about how to get their hands on it. You wont see us selling sliders, or rods/rails, viewfinders, etc. We only make available to others what we've needed for our productions and couldnt find available anywhere else.

EDIT: And drawing and cutting shapes with an exacto knife for bokeh isnt easy. Trust me on that one, the flaws will show up in the bokeh. That kind of stuff needs to be specially machined and exact, which is also a reason for the price.
 
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I'd gladly take a machined piece of equipment that i know will work vs. something i can make that might work well. Especially for paid work.
 
nosys70 said:
"... it seems that just putting the term anamorphic you can increase the price tenfold"
well it looks there is no exception here.
$200 for a filter that does nothing (optically speaking) ?
take any ebay cheap polarizer filter , remove the glass and keep only the frame, take another cheap UV filter same diameter, draw the mask the way you want (tape, black spray, carbon sheet, cardboard), put back the glass into the frame. Done. 10 minutes work.
you should be able to make it for less than $15, even better than a tenfold ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/77mm-Circular-Polarizing-CPL-C-PL-Filter-Lens-77mm_W0QQitemZ320444056466QQcategoryZ15217QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m506QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DNGRI%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D270429909237%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7179475100088762395


http://cgi.ebay.com/77mm-UltraViole...3762410?pt=Camera_Filters&hash=item33570c65ea
and that for a 77mm size, going smaller will be even cheaper.
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I'm really getting sick of posts like this crapping on someone else's thread. It's really bringing things down for the community. Why don't you start your own thread with this info?
 
he's some budget freak thinking he could make anything for 1$...
maybe i'll ask him to build me a 10$ LOMO lens ! should be a piece of cake.
 
nosys70 said:
For instance i do not see where you can find $180 of added value for this filter
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Then don't buy it.

and i do not ask to be convinced
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Then why are you bothering to interact if you're pre-stating that that interaction won't move you. Just start your own thread in the DIY section for this. You're completely hijacking this thread.
 
nosys70 said:
well , i see no hostilty in a simple statement, but a lot in your answers.
i will better put $600 in a real piece of work like the this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300527305534

For instance i do not see where you can find $180 of added value for this filter, and i do not ask to be convinced, so sales figures will tell....
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i do agree with you that a serious anamorphic glass is the real deal. this is a compromise. no real frame squeeze. but besides that a very stable and good quality effort.
and you won't need to break your hands and camera trying to get a decent focus.
 
roei z said:
i do agree with you that a serious anamorphic glass is the real deal. this is a compromise. no real frame squeeze. but besides that a very stable and good quality effort.
and you won't need to break your hands and camera trying to get a decent focus.
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There are other, better reasons, providing this filter solves anamorphic adapter problems such as needing to stop the lens down in order to focus correctly and eating too much light. I sold my LA7200 adapter because I prefer the cropping in post method along with plug-in flares. An adapter presents too many compromises during filming, IMO. If this filter saves me the trouble of placing flares in post, all the better.
 
and , as matter of fact, i do not even see why you need a glass on that filter.
Should a thin sheet of metal with a hole not be ok ?.... after all it is how the original design was done....
 
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nosys70 said:
well , i see no hostilty in a simple statement, but a lot in your answers.
i will better put $600 in a real piece of work like the this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300527305534

For instance i do not see where you can find $180 of added value for this filter, and i do not ask to be convinced, so sales figures will tell....
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Thanks for promo, thats us selling that lens on ebay by the way! ;)

Actually, I stated this filter was at first meant to be only a companion to true anamorphic lens shooting, but only when we needed run and gun rack focus capabilities which real lenses wont give you. So yes, by all means keep buying real deal anamorphic lenses! We wont be getting rid of our Iscorama 36, or our Lomo, or Kowas anytime soon. No filter will ever give you that exact look, but this filter comes close enough for anamorphic lens freaks like us.
 
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