Canon's Upcoming RF cinema camera rumored specs

morgan_moore said:
Are the 2/3 lenses - designed for filming a lion on the other side of the river any less compromised - the one you linked to ramped with telephoto.?

The grown up reality is that 8000ISO (s35) is usable in the context of getting a shot of leopards having se_x

The 50-1000 is 'small' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzDv4knPSk (and 'cheap')
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Well, if the leopards are having a nooner it would be no problem at all. Even at my latitude I get a 1/48 ISO100 f/16 or 22 exposure in midday summer sun. But go to the shade, different story. Late in the day, different story.

Regardless - you're talking about wildlife super telephoto and not a general purpose ENG lens. You also called it a 5.6.

But your point about cleaner high ISOs is well-taken and I agree that it's worth it to shrink the lens size and cost. You see that now with some of these super cheap super light canon super telephoto stills lenses. Very interesting
 
ahalpert said:
Huh?
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Well, yous people are jivin' about them fancy cameras and ever cooler Objektiv (Optik), so I figured I'd chime in about the presumably soon-to-be-announced MFT camera. Which can be both small in size and have lightweight zooms. Or it may not be all that small but the MFT zooms have long been out there and they don't weight 80 pounds either. Unless it's a super long one.
 
cyvideo said:
Sort of like this? :) Camera whips of real quick as the rest is built around the lens. Auto or Man or AF/M focus controlled by the push/pull focus ring. The iris I always drive manually. IS is selected manually on the lens. Servo zoom can be from the FS7 grip or the lens itself.

Chris Young

Oh! Forgot.
It also drops straight onto a Sony VCT-14 tripod plate making it cross-compatible with the other cameras using the VCT-14.

https://www.newsshooter.com/2015/06/03/movcam-sony-a7s-lanc-control-cable-released/

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Pretty much exactly this.

Although, I was thinking this concept can be expanded to larger 10x, 12x, and even 20x s35 or M43 short flange zooms.

The issue with what I am talking about is that there are not many short flange par focal long s35 zooms. But now that lenses can be designed without the need to accommodate a spinning mirror, we can improve and shrink the s35 super zoom. The thing is, it likely won't happen right away, or maybe not ever, who knows. People are still trying to build their setup around cameras, when lenses are now the biggest and most expensive piece.
 
Chris, might be more like this, but also exactly the same concept in practice, just a bigger and faster zoom.

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so, basically an F2.8 or F4 10-20x super35 par focal lens with a super short flange that can cover extreme wides to longer telephoto. like a 20-200 or a 15-300 etc.

The lens would be sturdy enough to support the whole system, and have mounting plates and things. and at the end of the day, it would be about as functional as an ENG camera, while also being a little smaller.

The big zoom lens would be whole core of the system. The camera body would jest be attached to whatever lens system you wanted to work with. Might start referring to cameras as "lens backs". haha.


It does seem like M43 would be the more logical successor to the ENG camera, but the s35 is the most versatile in terms of control over image.


And while what I am talking about is a lens that doesn't exist yet, there are some lenses that can already do this, but perhaps are either just a little too heavy or just a little to short of a zoom range. so, would still need redesigned lenses to make it appealing to more operators, but if one really wants to do this, there are a few lenses that can work even today. mainly because cameras are so insanely small. Like a Komodo already has wireless control via smart phone.
 
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Here is a near 10x 2.8 cine zoom by Takumi

https://www.ducloslenses.com/products/takumi-239-195mm-t2-9

The lens is 20lbs, so obviously not a clear winner, but given the range and speed, and the fact that cameras only weigh 2lbs, a full setup could still be under 30lbs.

Now, implement design techniques for shorter flange distance and perhaps slow the lens down a 1/2 or whole stop, and implement some more native mounting points, and you could drop the weight of the rig close to 15-20lbs. perhaps have lightweight servo motors internal like panavision's lenses.

Then we're looking at a $50,000 lens and a $3500 camera in the near future.



Either that, or someone has to invent something revolutionary. I'm just tired of all the half backed re-hashed bad ideas coming out now with "new and improved" written on the box. It is ruining the industry.
 
Would like to start seeing camera bodies become less of a thing, and rigs centering more around function and or the optical system.

I don't see off-the-shelf printed circuit boards with a handle the bench mark for ergonomic design. Manufacturers have to work from function first.

The C70 is another step in the right direction, but also, still has some oversights and some of the same flaws we've been hating since the 5Dmk2 got 24p. I applaud Canon for kinda/sorta/maybe seeing something, but ultimately they still kind of missed the mark. Another stop gap design. pros and cons.
 
We use all these automotive analogies but camping trailers are better metaphors. We need to accept that cameras can never converge toward one ideal because there isn't one. Every time I go camping with the group someone has a new variation from how they did it before, a toy hauler, pop-up tent trailer, pickup cab-over, slide out travel trailer, 5th wheel, class A motorhome, generators, satellite dishes to plain old regular tents. Everyone is trying to accomplish the same thing, their own minimum level of comfort for the duration that gets them and their junk into the destination reliably, economically. All the variations can work, everyone gets to cook, eat and sleep. The debate is only about the compromises you have to make.
 
ahalpert said:
The FX6 is not going to match FS7 codecs. The FX9 has FS7 codecs. It would totally undercut the FX9
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What's odd about the FX9 is that you need a bulky expensive extension to get raw to an Atomos recorder but the FS5 II can record raw to Atomos without any extensions.
 
James0b57 said:
... Either that, or someone has to invent something revolutionary. I'm just tired of all the half backed re-hashed bad ideas coming out now with "new and improved" written on the box. It is ruining the industry.
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A 1" sensor on an RX-10 type ILC body (and three/four constant aperture AF zooms) on a hand-held gimbal and a wireless eye-piece EVF.
 
Built in ND filters in this body size/type?? YES.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Hoping the next round of mirrorless cameras all include ND filters. Looks like internal 4k120p 422 10-bit is now standard as well with Sony and Canon offering it.

The camera market has so many more highly compelling options today than it did just 3 years ago.
 
Tom Roper said:
We use all these automotive analogies but camping trailers are better metaphors. We need to accept that cameras can never converge toward one ideal because there isn't one. Every time I go camping with the group someone has a new variation from how they did it before, a toy hauler, pop-up tent trailer, pickup cab-over, slide out travel trailer, 5th wheel, class A motorhome, generators, satellite dishes to plain old regular tents. Everyone is trying to accomplish the same thing, their own minimum level of comfort for the duration that gets them and their junk into the destination reliably, economically. All the variations can work, everyone gets to cook, eat and sleep. The debate is only about the compromises you have to make.
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Very true. Even within the ENG eco system, we all had our own tricks and setups.

Things these days have to be very modular, because the demands of shoots are all over the place. Directors want smooth floor to ceiling roving shots. Producers want us shooting all day. And no one wants to give time for lens changes, much less know what frame they want until they see it on screen. It makes it so that there is no camera setup that could ever possibly work even for one shoot.

Tiny cheap modular camera bodies like the Komodo or mirrorless cameras make a lot of sense. That way, I can go buy a Takumi and make my own s35 ENG camera, and SamH can toss it around on a Ronin - S.

Campers are an excellent analogy.
 
DLD said:
A 1" sensor on an RX-10 type ILC body (and three/four constant aperture AF zooms) on a hand-held gimbal and a wireless eye-piece EVF.
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Haha, yeah, I was liking the XC10 concept. But to be honest, A-cam setups drink up all the money, and it gets difficult to spare funds for cameras like the XC10 or RX10. But once they crack the simulated DOF, DR, and noise issues of smaller sensors, I'll gladly jump over to the 1" format.
 
James0b57 said:
Campers are an excellent analogy.
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Thanks, but I left out of the conversation propane, solar panels, gas forced air furnaces, A/C, hot water, solar showers, microwave ovens, refrigerators to ice chests, sleeping bags to queen sized beds, leds to candles, heaters to firewood, wool socks to goretex. So many ways to do it, always interesting to see someone else's take on the solutions but one thing rings true, the closer you get to the summit, the more you have to innovate and make do with less until it's down to just you and the go pro. And that is to your point.
 
I think it will always make sense to have 2 cameras - 1 with a smaller sensor for ENG and 1 with larger one for "cinema".
 
Tom Roper said:
Thanks, but I left out of the conversation propane, solar panels, gas forced air furnaces, A/C, hot water, solar showers, microwave ovens, refrigerators to ice chests, sleeping bags to queen sized beds, leds to candles, heaters to firewood, wool socks to goretex. So many ways to do it, always interesting to see someone else's take on the solutions but one thing rings true, the closer you get to the summit, the more you have to innovate and make do with less until it's down to just you and the go pro. And that is to your point.
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Wool socks are a 1 to 1 sort of thing. they go in a camera persons kit too. haha.

Where is Cleremond?
 
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