Yardsale
Well-known member
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Unveils-New-Prosumer-HDV-Line-XH-G1-and-XH-A1.htm
looks like we got some competition!
looks like we got some competition!
Canon Unveils New Prosumer HDV Line: XH G1 and XH A1
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Larry Rutledge
Fest Master
What does "Canon's 24p-like 24f option" mean?
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
It's not true progressive.
Larry Rutledge
Fest Master
Yardsale said:
Well, it says "1080i recording at 60 and 24fps" which leads me to believe that it is 24 non-progressive. Then it says "24p-like 24f option"...so I assume it is some sort of "faked" 24p. Just wondering what process they use since it appears to not be true 24p.
It is not 24p. It is Canon's approach to twenty-four frames a second which, as stated, is dubbed 24f. Along with that, there's a 30f and a 60i, but not 60p or 60f.
Either way, it's been kinda shown that you can't really tell the difference between 24f and 24p.
AshG would be able to tip you off more on the subject of 24f. But, it's not at all bad. Just another form/fashion of getting film-like cadence.
Either way, it's been kinda shown that you can't really tell the difference between 24f and 24p.
AshG would be able to tip you off more on the subject of 24f. But, it's not at all bad. Just another form/fashion of getting film-like cadence.
The Machinist
Respected Member
$7,000 for a fixed lens HDV camera?
No thanks. I'd sooner go with the HD100U.
or just pay the extra what 1700? for an XLH1?
It is a pretty slick design though.
No thanks. I'd sooner go with the HD100U.
or just pay the extra what 1700? for an XLH1?
It is a pretty slick design though.
Filmjunkie677
Master of Horror
Looking pretty hot.
But it ain't a DVX/HVX.
But it ain't a DVX/HVX.
HorseFilms
Look ma no hands
I'll stick with my DVX for now... for quite awhile, actually.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
me too... though I think an HVX is in my near future
FilmMakerr
Veteran
The Machinist said:
You read my mind.
mikkowilson
Steadi-Guru
Hmm..
VERY interesting!
It's like a "mini me" for the XL-H1. Those TC/Genlock/SDI jacks on the back still draw a big line in the sand, and now again at a lower price point. Combined with the PAL/NTSC switchablity option, that's the new cheapest universal conectivty camera.
The G1 can connect and send a signal to practically any video system. Use it in your edit bay to send video from firewire to your analog monitor - or walk up to the very latest HD production truck and plug into their genlock and SDI input and you are set as a studio camera. Damn that's prety impressive.
Not havign seen the output or having read the manual for this camera, I can't tell, and don't think, it beats out the HVX yet. But it did just kill the Z1 in my books. Not that I'm buying a new camera right this minute, but if I was, Sony is out of the running.
- Mikko
VERY interesting!
It's like a "mini me" for the XL-H1. Those TC/Genlock/SDI jacks on the back still draw a big line in the sand, and now again at a lower price point. Combined with the PAL/NTSC switchablity option, that's the new cheapest universal conectivty camera.
The G1 can connect and send a signal to practically any video system. Use it in your edit bay to send video from firewire to your analog monitor - or walk up to the very latest HD production truck and plug into their genlock and SDI input and you are set as a studio camera. Damn that's prety impressive.
Not havign seen the output or having read the manual for this camera, I can't tell, and don't think, it beats out the HVX yet. But it did just kill the Z1 in my books. Not that I'm buying a new camera right this minute, but if I was, Sony is out of the running.
- Mikko
razamalik
Well-known member
mikkowilson said:
I agree with you Mikko... HVX is still better in my books... though we will have to see the images coming of this camera but i dont expect it to be any different than its big bro XLH1...
I JUST POSTED IN ANOTHER THREAD:
nice one & at a good price too but i think its a bit late on canon's part ... just seems like a copy of fx1 & Z1 on may accounts with a few extra features ! if this was released a year ago that is before Hvx200 & XLH1 it would have created some vibe.. ah but its all a bit too late for HDV now.
nice to see an iris ring on the lens... but hate the free ring designs... why on earth cant canon just put ends on the zoom & focus ring like the HVX200???? if i am right sony fx1 does have zoom & focus ends... so why is this not implemented?
dustino
Well-known member
Too bad canon can't get true 24p. I find it both amazing and bizarre. I want to be a canon fan, really I do. They make great glass and I love almost everything they do in their still camera line. So what's up with the 24p? Why are they overlooking such an enormous factor in image quality?
Barry_Green
Moderator
Very, very interesting. I was wondering how they would respond to the concept of a GL3, and I figured they'd never be able to make a 1/4" HD camcorder, so instead they take the same imaging block out of the XLH1 and put it in a fixed-lens body, and drop the price by $2,000.
Now, the A1 for $3999, that looks mighty interesting. Completely obsoletes the Sony as far as I'm concerned, feature-wise, presuming the video quality holds up. I mean, if you want 1080 HDV, you could get the Sony Z1 for $5946 (MSRP) or the Canon for $3999 (MSRP) and add 24F instead of CineFrame 24? How does the Sony stand against that?
Man oh man though, if this had been AVC-HD instead of HDV I'd buy one today. BUT: the big question mark is the lens controls. I hate (despise, actually) the rubber-band loosey-goosey "wet cabbage" feel of the XLH1's lens. If Canon has addressed that, they may have a contender here. If they haven't addressed it, I don't care what it costs I wouldn't stand using it.
As far as an HVX competitor? Naw. 4:2:0 HDV vs. 4:2:2 DVCPRO-HD, 1080/24F vs. 1080/24P, 1080/30F vs. 1080/30P, no 720p at all, no variable frame rates, no DVCPRO50, no Cinelike-D and Cinelike-V, and back to a tape-based workflow? No thanks on that aspect.
Well done on Canon's part though. I think these look pretty solid, and they should totally eat the FX1's and Z1's lunches.
Now, the A1 for $3999, that looks mighty interesting. Completely obsoletes the Sony as far as I'm concerned, feature-wise, presuming the video quality holds up. I mean, if you want 1080 HDV, you could get the Sony Z1 for $5946 (MSRP) or the Canon for $3999 (MSRP) and add 24F instead of CineFrame 24? How does the Sony stand against that?
Man oh man though, if this had been AVC-HD instead of HDV I'd buy one today. BUT: the big question mark is the lens controls. I hate (despise, actually) the rubber-band loosey-goosey "wet cabbage" feel of the XLH1's lens. If Canon has addressed that, they may have a contender here. If they haven't addressed it, I don't care what it costs I wouldn't stand using it.
As far as an HVX competitor? Naw. 4:2:0 HDV vs. 4:2:2 DVCPRO-HD, 1080/24F vs. 1080/24P, 1080/30F vs. 1080/30P, no 720p at all, no variable frame rates, no DVCPRO50, no Cinelike-D and Cinelike-V, and back to a tape-based workflow? No thanks on that aspect.
Well done on Canon's part though. I think these look pretty solid, and they should totally eat the FX1's and Z1's lunches.
its too expensive. for 7G's i can buy a full HVX kit. i dont thin i will ever be usingthe SDI as a Studio camera, plus,, if you opt out of that ability, youre stil spending 4g's for a HDV camera.
although the 24F at 4g's isnt bad. It doesnt look too bad at all.
....Also there is now a "deck" for the XLH1.
although the 24F at 4g's isnt bad. It doesnt look too bad at all.
....Also there is now a "deck" for the XLH1.
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Barry_Green
Moderator
It's not that they're overlooking it; remember they put 24p on the XL2.dustino said:
It's more likely that they're buying their CCDs from Sony, and Sony seems to have a hard-to-understand aversion to making progressive scan. I mean, even in their new supposedly-progressive-scan XDCAM HD lineup, they're using interlaced CCDs and "faking it". That's why the variable frame rate 350 drops to half-resolution if you push it to faster than 30fps; it drops to using a single field. Even in AVC-HD, a format that natively supports 1080/24p, they put out an interlaced-only camera. It seems like their marketing slogan should change from "Sony: The One And Only" to "Sony: Interlaced Only."
I think Canon is probably a victim of their suppliers. They know people want 24p, and I'm sure they'd love to be able to offer it, but apparently they can't find the chips they need.