Well, see, that's the thing -- I've been on that path and I very clearly remember the steps. That's what I'm trying to help people circumvent!
Again, you're exactly right.
HA! Okay, not only is this exactly correct and what I'm coming to accept now, but -- I specifically remember going round and round with Kholi, and I remember the day, and the e-mail...
This is very true -- and this is how this thread started out. But how much technical discussion can there truly be, between a $799 consumer DSLR, and a $17,500 dedicated digital cinema camera? Isn't that discussion kind of "over and done in one"?
Logic, reason, or the opinions and viewpoints of those who have walked in the shoes you are attempting to walk in be damned. I'll take kholi with a dvx over some random Joe with a RED and no experience any day of the week.
Glory, glory... You've seen some compressed web video from very talented folks, and that's all that matters, damnit
rogar-Sick(DBG):The people who are going to make your life better by giving you one point five mllion dollars (1.5Mil) for your feature film. The same people that'll fund your next one that you'll probably shoot on an F35 or 35mm if you're really lucky, with a budget of 20 to 30 million.
HA! Okay, not only is this exactly correct and what I'm coming to accept now, but -- I specifically remember going round and round with Kholi, and I remember the day, and the e-mail...
) to remember how I refused to listen to the lessons my mother tried to teach me about life before I went and committed idiocies; you just have to let them find out the hard way.
Why did you even start the thread then? B/c it looks to me that your responses throughout are indicating that your only purpose in posting it was to validate the t2i against a RED, b/c any time anyone points out that the RED One is actually a better camera, you are the one who seems to be getting defensive about it.
If I'm wrong about that, then my bad... but, when someone took the time to shoot it to you straight from their own personal experience, you shot them down and now begin making what essentially amounts to personal attacks against them.
Even to the point of putting words in the mouth of a well-established member here, who is a working professional, and who was at the forefront of the very movement you are attempting to defend.
And, I don't recall him ever saying that you could not get some absolutely gorgeous imagery out of the dslr's. Anyone with two working eyes and the use of their mouse and keyboard can see this.
However, pointing out flaws in the DSLR's (or in the RED for that matter) is actually a GOOD thing. So, when someone tries to tell you that you should avoid shooting in X situation with your t2i (or gh1, or 7d, or RED), if you don't heed their advice, and end up with some nasty aliasing all over your footage, or partial exposure of strobe lights in your music video, etc, etc... make sure you ignore them and get defensive b/c they're just bashing your camera (sarcasm).
You wanted someone to tell you that the t2i is a great camera and you don't need to shoot on RED. Ok. t2i is a great camera (for what it is) and YOU don't need to shoot on RED. Sounds like you just need to get out there and shoot and figure this stuff out for yourself, b/c if someone offers a viewpoint counter to your own, you start making things about the poster, rather than the content.
And, if you make all your decisions based on compressed web video, you might be in for a surprise or two when you start in on those paying gigs.
It would be in everyone's best interest to stop being so damn emotional and protective over their gear, and start learning everything you can about it, so you can make the most of it. You don't need to justify your purchases to anyone. It's the finished product that matters in the end.
I've seen a bunch of compressed web video of some really shi*ty work shot on dslr's and RED alike. I've also seen some pretty stellar work from DSLR's projected on a big screen at 1080, and some amazing (and high-profile) work on the big screen in 4k shot on RED. Obviously, the tool is not the common denominator, here... It's talented and knowledgeable people who know how to get the best out of it, and who have taken the time to do their homework.
Glory, glory... You've seen some compressed web video from very talented folks, and that's all that matters, damnit
You take in all the information you can, soak up all the various viewpoints (of people who actually do have experience with what you are asking) and make your decision. Do it, and don't look back... And, leave out the jabs against other members of this board who are trying to help you in the process
... but I was going to add that you mods should change his "Member" status to "Little *****".
Yes, I went there.
