Canon T2i Owners = Where's the footage, where's the beef?????
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Nah don't get it cuz then we will hear you b. about aliasing and moire, stay with video camera.:violin:
Chris Watson
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Barry,
Is there an "ignore" feature?
Chris W
Is there an "ignore" feature?
Chris W
Ben_B
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AVCHD and H.264 ARE the same format, they use the same kind of compression, they're just packaged differently and the Canon shoots at a higher bitrate and so puts out a less compressed image (although really nothing close to the quality of the AVCHD of a camera like the HMC-150.)
Furthermore, both require a ton of computing power to edit, which is why when I am editing AVCHD or H.264 I transcode to ProRes. For AVCHD it's a necessity on the Mac, but for H.264 it just makes everything so much easier, so you're not dodging that extra step with the Canons really.
Ben_B
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Did you do any stabilization on this in post? i could have sworn I saw some of the characteristic wiggle.
Norman99
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Ben, the 5 sec. clip from the T2i is a .mov file. I have a Mac Pro that takes it in without any problems in either iMovie or FCP. I didn't have to transcode anything at all. If it was in AVCHD, that's where it gets to be a hassle with a Mac. Older iMovie versions don't take AVCHD only the new ones do, and an application like Voltaic has to be used,and the new versions are problematic from what I read in the Apple forums. I use FCP so that ,mov files aren't a problem. That's why I was hesitant in other cameras that offered video in AVCHD. As a .mov file it would be skipping that time consuming transcoding step. Also what did you mean about " nothing close to the quality AVCHD camera like HMC-150 " ?Does the HMC-150 produce a much better HD image than the T2i at 1080p/30 ?
Noiz2
Sound Ninja
Norman,
.MOV is not a codec and in fact isn't even a file type it's a Quick Time wrapper. It doesn't mean anything except that Quick Time is set to open it. I can send you a .mov file that you can't play. Quick Time can only play files who's codecs it has installed. If you send a ProRes .mov file to someone who doesn't have FCP installed they won't be able to play it.
And you still don't want to edit with the Canon .mov files. It's a lossy long GOP format and will bog down any system and fall apart with processing. Which is why people keep telling you that you still need to transcode it, you do.
.MOV is not a codec and in fact isn't even a file type it's a Quick Time wrapper. It doesn't mean anything except that Quick Time is set to open it. I can send you a .mov file that you can't play. Quick Time can only play files who's codecs it has installed. If you send a ProRes .mov file to someone who doesn't have FCP installed they won't be able to play it.
And you still don't want to edit with the Canon .mov files. It's a lossy long GOP format and will bog down any system and fall apart with processing. Which is why people keep telling you that you still need to transcode it, you do.
saneproductions
Veteran
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You must transcode the footage to something like prores or dnxhd (if on avid) or your edit system is going to lag like hell, your renders will take forever, any cc or effects you add will turn the footage to garbage etc etc. We don't do it for our health, we do it because it needs to be done
If you want to do it your way instead please feel free to go ahead. We are correcting you not for your sake, but for all the other readers who come along in the future and get it into their heads that editing raw media from the camera is a good idea. It is not.
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You must transcode the footage to something like prores or dnxhd (if on avid) or your edit system is going to lag like hell, your renders will take forever, any cc or effects you add will turn the footage to garbage etc etc. We don't do it for our health, we do it because it needs to be done
If you want to do it your way instead please feel free to go ahead. We are correcting you not for your sake, but for all the other readers who come along in the future and get it into their heads that editing raw media from the camera is a good idea. It is not.
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Where is it proven as a FACT that you must convert your .mov files to prores......
I'm waiting
saneproductions
Veteran
You are just going to have to try for yourself like I did. It is a fact that renders take forever and the footage degrades when you color correct. The edit system lags much more than say dvcpro hd.
Kegan
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You're waiting? Hah, you have to be joking. You're the guy who wants to break your camera because you can't create footage as good as someone else and you're WAITING for for someone to prove to you that you have to transcode your footage to edit properly?
Wow...real winners on this board,
Kegan
Wow...real winners on this board,
Kegan
J Davis
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Actually you can edit h264 on h264 FCP timelines so long as you do straight cuts, but even then I don't recommend it, its lazy and amateur.
Try doing cross fades or any temporal effect (ie covering several frames) and you are playing with fire. Even if you are lucky and they render out ok, any future conversions like if u upload to vimeo, all the errors come out.
In 24p h264 only has two real frames of data per second. The other 22 frames are text data that describe how groups of pictures are moved around from the last real frame. So in order for FCP to display frame 5, it must go back to frame 1 and calculate frames 2,3 and 4.
h264 is a great delivery codec but a poor choice for an editing codec. Do it at your own risk.
edit: anyone want beef with me over my saying the B and P frames are text data my source on that is FCP guru Larry Jordan.
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J Davis
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For those who want to edit with FCP the smart way, choose and transcode to an iframe codec like prores where every frame is a real frame.
Since the original capture is 8 bit there is no need to transcode to proresHQ unless you are planning on adding things like gradients or comping in AE. The original prores is fine.
Anyone experimenting with the new prores4444 be aware that it does not support super whites or sub zero blacks
Since the original capture is 8 bit there is no need to transcode to proresHQ unless you are planning on adding things like gradients or comping in AE. The original prores is fine.
Anyone experimenting with the new prores4444 be aware that it does not support super whites or sub zero blacks
shaocaholica
Well-known member
You can still work with 8bit footage in higher bit AE projects. AE doesn't require higher bbp in order to render higher bbp so I don't see any advantage in using PRHQ.
Even so, I'm still an MJPEG fan because its also intraframe and cross package/platform.
J Davis
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You can use the original prores but I've noticed banding on gradients when they are added.
edit: sorry I misread, Shao is right - so long as the AE project is set to a higher bit then bringing in the lower prores is fine
Thank you for faithfully following my post...... Now go to the kitchen and get back to work + don't feel jealous that no one thinks highly of your work :happy:
With that said I was not saying I was right or wrong, only I was waiting for the correct answer. Thank you for those who explained why it must be converted. So what are the proper steps for transcoding? I just use to bring in my .mov files and create small clips. The correct way is to convert the clips before I bring them into Final Cut?
Thanks
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Kegan
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Oh, people view your work in high regard? Links to reviews please. Where did I say that I was envious of others? Come on now...you can do better than that.
Maybe you weren't saying you were right or wrong, but there is a certain way to ask for answers politely - calling people out is not one of them.
Kegan
EDIT: Since you asked a question, in a polite manner - I will respond as such. One of the easiest ways is to use MPEG Streamclip (which is a free download). Open it up, go to "List", then "Batch List", "Add Files", it will then ask you if you want to "Export to Quicktime", you say "OK", pick destination folder, drag the "Quality" bar to 100%, select Apple Pro Res 422 (there are a few options here, depending on your Final Cut version - 7 I believe has the most options). I just pick the regular Apple Pro Res 422, de-select "Interlaced Scaling" and then click "To Batch".
Maybe you weren't saying you were right or wrong, but there is a certain way to ask for answers politely - calling people out is not one of them.
Kegan
EDIT: Since you asked a question, in a polite manner - I will respond as such. One of the easiest ways is to use MPEG Streamclip (which is a free download). Open it up, go to "List", then "Batch List", "Add Files", it will then ask you if you want to "Export to Quicktime", you say "OK", pick destination folder, drag the "Quality" bar to 100%, select Apple Pro Res 422 (there are a few options here, depending on your Final Cut version - 7 I believe has the most options). I just pick the regular Apple Pro Res 422, de-select "Interlaced Scaling" and then click "To Batch".
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