Canon R5 MKII Announced

Eric Coughlin said:
The Newsshooter article mentioned 30 minute record limit in 4K, but then also mentioned they did overheating tests which got far beyond 30 minutes. So, which is it, is there a 30 minute record limit like the original R5 or not?
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You have a lot of Canon shooting experience under your belt, Eric. Have you noticed any changes in the look of the the new (post 2020) cinema cameras, i.e. C400, R5C and now the R5II (if you've had a chance to view footage)? I mean, in terms of highlight roll-off, sharpness and color....
 
Eric Coughlin said:
The Newsshooter article mentioned 30 minute record limit in 4K, but then also mentioned they did overheating tests which got far beyond 30 minutes. So, which is it, is there a 30 minute record limit like the original R5 or not?
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I think you miss read it. I was watching a reviewer say that they finally got rid of the 30 minute record limit. Never owned the R5 so I didn't know it had the limit. Shocking camera that recent had limit but its Canon so not that surprising. I view this as a photo first type of camera that can shoot video.
 
What did he say about eye-AF? Didn't watch it but eye-AF has worked well for video in other Canon models...
 
How does eye af work. You are (or I am) constantly scanning the frame for booms and whatever. So surely the focus would wander moronically.
 
in video I use 'continous' / servo focus all the time.

In stills I use single plop.

My recent wedding for the aisle shot I dedided that servo would be good for stills, first time since i was a canon user.

Obvs with a nikon you have an actual lever to pedal from afS to afC but that is beyond canon.
 
I'll watch it later, but I'd be really surprised if they took it out of video; that would be unprecedented and officially insane.

Eye-AF has worked really well since the R in 2018. (And a handful of others since then including the first R5.)

You pick L or R eye or auto. Or you can turn it off and just use face-detection. Or turn that off and use boxes/zones.
 
Some one is mudded. Probably me.

Eye tracking af looks at your eye and sees where you are looking in the viewfinder and focusses there?

Entirely useless for video??

Eye af keeps your interview good!
 
The eye-AF system for video - like in other cameras - was designed to track eyes in the frame, but it actually just hit me that if this is about any type of eye-AF through the viewfinder (like your own eye, the user's eye) then I have no idea about that...I was just talking about a camera's AF tracking an eyeball when a human (or animal) is in the frame/on the LCD (definitely perfect for interviews).
 
It would make sense that viewfinder eye tracking is only for photography. No one looks away from the subject when taking the picture. In video like Morgan said you typically are scanning the frame or looking at the settings while recording so you wouldn't want it tracking your eye movements. Tony Northrup has said this feature in previous models hasn't been perfected enough to use.
 
Eye Control AF actually debuted in a Canon film SLR originally. This is the third incarnation. Like Peter mentions, most reviews of the 2nd version (R3) said it's more a gimmick than anything else.

According to FroKnowsPhoto; this new version is better. He has Nystagmus (twitching eye condition) and the technology apparently can compensate for that, for his eyes at least.

This technology is similar to what is used in the Vision Pro and other VR headsets to track eye movements and is going to be in a lot more systems in the future. It's utility for shooters I am interested to hear about. I could see falling back on it if the AF was confused by a bunch of people in frame.

The sports action AF, and Pre-Registered Person Priority feature (in R1 - something similar also in A7RV) are incredibly compelling features that should be in all high-end bodies that intend to compete with these cameras.

If money was no object I would go Canon. If I was starting out at this moment; I would probably go with them. I love their ergonomics, for the most part. They make some of the best lenses, although I still find the build quality and overall optical performance better on the S Nikons (their teles remain the best).
 
hojomo said:
performance better on the S Nikons (their teles remain the best).
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I binned nikon after 205 years. Lovely glass and you can never put it on a ND xlr video camera. Hell you cant even put thier/my lovely 600f4D on thier own stills camera.
Nikon is dead to me.

Used a z9/400 2.8.. its lovely.
 
I haven't done a deep dive but I feel like these 2 new cameras are a bit underwhelming. I'm sure they're great. But only an incremental improvement perhaps on the R5. The R1 doesn't seem to hit like one thought it would
 
ahalpert said:
I haven't done a deep dive but I feel like these 2 new cameras are a bit underwhelming. I'm sure they're great. But only an incremental improvement perhaps on the R5. The R1 doesn't seem to hit like one thought it would
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The R1 is for a high end sports type application where taking burst photos is the most important aspect. I've heard Sony A1 is better but I wouldn't know why or care.

The biggest criticism of the R5II is that many added features could have been in the original R5 but Canon held them back. For example C-log 2 was added, Wave forms, I think video codecs to shoot in smaller sizes that most people use. All of these are "fixes".

The other bigger negatives it still over heats and you have attach that monstrous grip to mitigate the over heating. It line skips in Raw odd when the main point of RAW is image quality and if the compress formats yield better IQ... I feel the features were carefully "managed" to still have a reason for the R5c.

Like I said before this is a photo first camera. I'm not upset because I'm not in the Canon eco system nor do I want to be. We're getting to the point of IQ is topping out and there are only video features like raw, ibis, and slow mo.
 
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Peter C. said:
The biggest criticism of the R5II is that many added features could have been in the original R5 but Canon held them back. For example C-log 2 was added, Wave forms, I think video codecs to shoot in smaller sizes that most people use. All of these are "fixes".

The other bigger negatives it still over heats and you have attach that monstrous grip to mitigate the over heating. It line skips in Raw odd when the main point of RAW is image quality and if the compress formats yield better IQ... I feel the features were carefully "managed" to still have a reason for the R5c.
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Unfortunately, this makes a lot of sense. The one killer must-have is the 16 stop DR, but it's only in 4K Fine mode.
 
Peter C. said:
I think you miss read it. I was watching a reviewer say that they finally got rid of the 30 minute record limit. Never owned the R5 so I didn't know it had the limit. Shocking camera that recent had limit but its Canon so not that surprising. I view this as a photo first type of camera that can shoot video.
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"The 4K DCI is oversampled from 8.2K, while the UHD is oversampled from 7.7K. Recording time when shooting 4K DCI or UHD at 120fps is limited to 5 minutes. When shooting 23.98p, 24p, 25p, or 29.98p the recoding limit is 29min 59sec." - Newsshooter
 
Im genuinely baffled that no one is interested in how to shoot with these cameras. Is it not relevant to other productions?

In five mins I was on 70-200 - this is better at 50p (nd needed)
then a wide (18-35) with audio that I want with 25p (nd needed)
then pop into the shed and its five stops lighter. need to bin the ND and stick with the wide

FPS needs to be on a wheel. Maybe untick the unused frame rates.
ND needs to be on button/.wheel. It is on the C200
Crop mode.. should be an assigned button.
Focus check while rolling should be functioning.

That said.. I love my r6 and in every way avoid shooting on my bulky C200.

But on fast moving shoots I have to use the beast. (500g less beastly than the C400 and has an EVF!)
 
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