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Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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NorBro
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No flaws. This is as simple and straightforward as a real world test gets without any pseudoscience.
I'm surprised you're even questioning it given how consistent and common it has been by everyday editors in the last decade.
You literally cannot have a more straightforward test without trying to influence viewers.
Because I have zero interest in having a conversation with you about it.
I don't care about the findings or your opinions.
I just want to enjoy my own camera in my own way.
Clermond
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I got the camera on Thursday evening and I felt very bold to bring it for an assignment the next day. Yes, I shot 4K HQ that day 25p and 50p both. It doesn't have to be a forever plan. I'm flexible in all directions.
my point is: you see the difference and quality of an oversampled image also when you display it in lower resolution. I made the same experience when I moved from the FS7 with a 4K sensor to the EVA1 with the oversampled 4K from the 5.7K sensor.
I just reviewed the other footage and I thought I should have chosen the Inspire2 ProResRAW 5.2K over the 4K Mavic2 Pro. Unfortunately I had not time for the setup and the Mavic is in the air in 3 minutes.
I can see some "issues" coming using the R5 as B-Cam with the softer C200. Maybe you need the 4K standard non overheating for that - all problems solved
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ahalpert
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Hey NorBro - if you have time - I'd be curious to see a sample of the FF HD 60p and also I'd love to know if that mode overheats within an hour. I'd give you a big, fat upvote!
I'm still trying to figure out if I could come up with a recipe to make this camera work for me...something like shoot 4KHQ selectively or shoot it until I get a temperature warning and then drop the quality... Not ideal - but usually in the shooting situations where I want maximum quality and detail, I can afford to shoot on and off and probably stay within the heat limits. And the situations where I need to roll continuously are usually somewhat less IQ-demanding or even mandate HD.
I'm still trying to figure out if I could come up with a recipe to make this camera work for me...something like shoot 4KHQ selectively or shoot it until I get a temperature warning and then drop the quality... Not ideal - but usually in the shooting situations where I want maximum quality and detail, I can afford to shoot on and off and probably stay within the heat limits. And the situations where I need to roll continuously are usually somewhat less IQ-demanding or even mandate HD.
I humbly second this request. FHD 60P. You might even export it in 1440p or 4K if you're feeling crazy. Youtube automatically uses it's better codec if the upload is 1440 or 4K. The lowly old C100 still looks quite nice if upscaled to 4K on YouTube.
Liam Hall
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My EF adapter turns up tomorrow. I'm quite busy this week but will try and shoot some tests including seeing how it cuts with my C500MKII and comparing the 4K in both HQ and normal shitty mode to my A7III.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Have you been hitherto mixing C500mk2 and A7III?
Liam Hall
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Only three times when the client didn't want to stump up for a C300MKII as a B-cam. I could get it pretty close to match. The trick was to stay as far away from Slog3 as possible.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Because it's 8-bit or just because it's hard to make it look good?
Man, I want to like the A7Siii but then I see things from it like this:
https://youtu.be/Kfwr6BTPVh8
I know it's a "look" but the man looks dead. They shouldn't have released this film, they should have buried it at the bottom of the ocean.
Perhaps I could get good results from the A7SIII but it can be a liability when you hand stuff off to someone who doesn't have a good colorist
Bassman2003
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Thanks for the test shots Norbro. Sadly I am leaning away from these great cameras. Just seems like a lot of thorns for what I like in video use. Learned last night that the white balance functionality is the same as the 5D MKII. Take a photo in photo made and apply it. Not exactly what I want in 2020. Kind of spoiled with the GH5. It is early days though. The A7SIII offers a lot as do Panasonic cameras. So close to being a slam dunk! But as many predicted, as expected.
Bassman2003
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Yes, the "Trust Yourself" video looked like a camera from 4 years ago. Loggy at times with flat color & skin tones. But, I have seen other footage from the A7SIII that rivals the Canons. So, I want to think it is flexible. It has two months before release, so plenty of time to get to know it. At least it does not have the perma-interlaced sort of look like Sony's of the past. I will be watching this camera as it does offer a lot.
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Clermond
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I have the adapter with the control ring. I was shooting with the 24-105/f4, no issues so far but no comparison to native RF lenses either.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
What did you see that looked good?
Bassman2003
Veteran
The guys wakeboarding looked very close to the R5 footage from the same YouTuber. Nice skin tones and vibrant color without the weird low-mids.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Yeah I liked that one too. Looked perfectly natural to me. I think the same guy's results with the R5 were perhaps more beautiful, but I dont think anyone would complain if you handed off footage that looked like his A7SIII video.
The problem is that I've only seen 2 a7siii videos that I liked the look of. And the 2nd one looked over sharpened - a lot of the A7SIII stuff looks sharpened. So, it's worrisome that I've seen so many samples that people put a lot of time into that are so-so or hit-and-miss with their colors
Whereas with the R5 basically everything looks great. Skin tones always look great. Some stuff I've seen was graded too contrasty and really crushed the shadows. But it seems like a camera that's hard to make look bad, aside from its current DR limitations
The problem is that I've only seen 2 a7siii videos that I liked the look of. And the 2nd one looked over sharpened - a lot of the A7SIII stuff looks sharpened. So, it's worrisome that I've seen so many samples that people put a lot of time into that are so-so or hit-and-miss with their colors
Whereas with the R5 basically everything looks great. Skin tones always look great. Some stuff I've seen was graded too contrasty and really crushed the shadows. But it seems like a camera that's hard to make look bad, aside from its current DR limitations
JonsMovies
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I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but have there been any real world tests yet of the 4K S35 crop mode which is not supposed to overheat? For documentaries, I find this mode compelling enough to consider the camera but need confirmation that 1) the 5.1K oversampled image is as good as the full frame HQ mode and 2) the camera performs flawlessly in 4K 24p crop mode without overheating. If both hold true, I'll once again consider the R5 for video work.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
If you look back a couple pages you'll find tests from NorBro where he looks at all the different modes. To my eye, the 24p crop looks very detailed and much sharper than low-quality full-frame 4K, although the crop has more noise.
Gerald undone confirmed that crop mode doesn't overheat in 24p:
Bassman2003
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Yes, the noise in the crop mode is quite large in comparison.
I watched the long streaming video from Gerald and what bothered me was seeing the flashing temperature indicators just stay around for long periods of time. Either shut the camera down or leave the warning off. Watching that red icon flashing while on a job and convincing yourself to keep rolling is just insanity.
I agree about Sony color. I am hesitating to consider this camera as I have always been meh... But I think it has potential. Gerald Undone seems to really like it and he has spent a lot of time with the R-series. So I look forward to seeing more work from him and others. There is also a chance some things could be improved with two months to go before release. The IBIS can probably be tuned a bit more as time goes forward.
I watched the long streaming video from Gerald and what bothered me was seeing the flashing temperature indicators just stay around for long periods of time. Either shut the camera down or leave the warning off. Watching that red icon flashing while on a job and convincing yourself to keep rolling is just insanity.
I agree about Sony color. I am hesitating to consider this camera as I have always been meh... But I think it has potential. Gerald Undone seems to really like it and he has spent a lot of time with the R-series. So I look forward to seeing more work from him and others. There is also a chance some things could be improved with two months to go before release. The IBIS can probably be tuned a bit more as time goes forward.
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ahalpert
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Right, I dont care if Gerald likes it, i need him to show me something that I like.
I wouldn't count on the color or IBIS changing much. Color could, i guess... more likely that new LUTs would come out for it. It's also possible that everything we're seeing is s-log3 and it's just hard to grade.
IBIS is limited by the mount, i believe. Canon might be able to fix the R5 IBIS wobbles but I doubt that Sony could make their IBIS more stable.