Canon R5 Announced with 8k

[Run&Gun]

I mean, I would still buy the cameras. RU isn't stopping me from buying the cameras. Having clients who don't want RAW is. The cameras are great, although the overpriced accessories ecosystem is what one owner called "a special kind of financial torture."

Oh one other nice thing about Matt Allard of Newsshooter - he put out a post about the new BM forum. The very first comment on that post was like, "why are you driving traffic away from your own site" haha. I appreciate his chill live-and-let-live mentality. Very un-American lol

I maybe mis-spoke. I didn’t necessarily mean turn people away from buying a camera. I’m about as far away from the stereotypical RED user as you can be, but I’m still considering one. I meant that because of the attitude, etc., a lot of people kind of immediately dismiss/don’t want to hear about anything having to do with RED.

And on the flip-side, I think the RED haters are just as bad or worse, because they too have already made up their minds and closed them on the subject and can’t be reasoned with in any type of rational conversation. You’re either with them or you’re a “fanboy”. Heck, I got called a RED fanboy last year in the comments section of an article discussing that the Komodo would only have SDI out and no HDMI. Somehow saying that HDMI didn’t belong on any professional cameras made me a fanboy to this person. Part of that is just ‘the internet’ and part of it is just the background, or lack thereof, of a lot of the people that have come into this industry in the last 10 or 12 so years.

 

[Run&Gun]

And this is what is great about DVX; we can turn a heated debate about the failings or not of a major new product launch into an erudite discussion and takedown of another forum, its competing camera system and its mad-as-a-box-of-frogs fanboys - just don't mention politics, guns or religion:-D

I may borrow that box-of-frogs line... Lol

 

[Run&Gun]

Newsshooter has compiled all the movie recording info from the manual. It's all in the manual, but he's culled it and presented it in one place: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/08...-you-need-to-know-if-you-are-recording-video/

A few items of note -

"The screen display may seem slightly slow in low temperatures or may look black in high temperatures. It will return to normal at room temperature

If there is a very bright light source in the image, the bright area may appear black on the screen. Movies are recorded almost exactly as they appear on the screen. Image noise or irregular colors may occur when shooting at high ISO speeds, high temperatures, slow shutter speeds, or under low light.

Display of the Temperature icon during movie recording also indicates that the camera will turn off automatically in approx. 3 min

According to Canon, when attaching or detaching RF lenses you should always set the camera’s power switch to <OFF>.

Although Canon doesn’t specifically state that you do this for EF lenses when using any of the EF-EOS R adapters, they do still state, ‘For lens precautions, see Attaching/Detaching RF Lenses.’"

https://www.canonrumors.com/gerald-undone-completes-exhaustive-record-time-testing-on-the-canon-eos-r5-and-canon-eos-r6/

 

[Bassman2003]

The nitty gritty. Thanks for posting the results. Gerald Undone has really done a great service to the community. My key comparison would be the image quality of the R5's 4k24 (LQ) vs the R6's 4k24. Which one is better from an image quality point of view? Imho, one has to have a long term recording option to comfortably purchase one of these cameras and do pro video work. There has to be a fallback. The Ninja V is affordable enough that it is a good option.

Also, I wonder how 4k30 works? In line with 4k24? Edit - I just read his reply on Twitter that 24p=30p in the tests.

 

[ahalpert]

I think that the R6 4K looks better than the R5 low-quality 4K because the R6 is oversampled and the R5 low-quality is pixel-binned

 

[ahalpert]

And on the flip-side, I think the RED haters are just as bad or worse, because they too have already made up their minds and closed them on the subject and can’t be reasoned with in any type of rational conversation.

It's kind of amusing to me that so many people - perhaps the same people - roundly criticized RED for chasing greater resolution. And now people are going gaga for the UMP 12K. (And Canon 8K.) In some ways, the 12K feels like a vindication of RED's approach (although yes, the 12K does not use a Bayer array)

 

[Bassman2003]

I think that the R6 4K looks better than the R5 low-quality 4K because the R6 is oversampled and the R5 low-quality is pixel-binned

That is what I am thinking. I hope some comparisons come out with this thought in mind. I am doing a lot of thinking and number crunching as I really like the image quality out of these cameras.

 

[ade4all]

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...-r5-and-canon-eos-r6.38979/page-4#post-851397

Canon may be able to ignore the video side of it but no way can they claim this camera is fit for purpose as a stills camera if it can't take photos for more than 2-3 hours. Hopefully this is a one off but doesn't look good

"I got to use an r5 today out at a Motocross event and well it turned off from only doing photos. This was using the ef to rf adapter and a 200mm f2. This was used for over a time period of 2.5-3 hrs and it was 86 degrees out. I’m glad that I didn’t buy it and needless to say my friend who did is pretty disappointed. I love 1d bodies"

 

[Run&Gun]

It's kind of amusing to me that so many people - perhaps the same people - roundly criticized RED for chasing greater resolution. And now people are going gaga for the UMP 12K. (And Canon 8K.) In some ways, the 12K feels like a vindication of RED's approach (although yes, the 12K does not use a Bayer array)

Sometimes it's the delivery of the message or the messenger and not the message itself... Do you have that one friend who can get away with saying ANYTHING? But then you also know that person that everyone just rolls their eyes at and walks away from whenever they so much as just say "Hello"?

 

[Run&Gun]

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...-r5-and-canon-eos-r6.38979/page-4#post-851397

Canon may be able to ignore the video side of it but no way can they claim this camera is fit for purpose as a stills camera if it can't take photos for more than 2-3 hours. Hopefully this is a one off but doesn't look good

"I got to use an r5 today out at a Motocross event and well it turned off from only doing photos. This was using the ef to rf adapter and a 200mm f2. This was used for over a time period of 2.5-3 hrs and it was 86 degrees out. I’m glad that I didn’t buy it and needless to say my friend who did is pretty disappointed. I love 1d bodies"

If true, and not an isolated equipment issue, then Canon has a major problem on its hands.

Also, I hope all of the people that have been begging for IBIS for all of these years are happy. IBIS is more than likely what is preventing them from being able to keep the sensor cool(er).

 

[Liam Hall]

Sony put a heatsink right on the IBIS unit. And I dont think 8K makes as much of a difference to heat generation as just being FF. I think they could have done a way better job on the R5 if they wanted

Laugh. Out. Loud.

 

[ahalpert]

Laugh all you want. Gh5 supersamples 5.1k in 60p with IBIS and has no heat problem. You've got phones and other dinky sensors doing high res readouts. Brawley said that BM is having trouble doing a FF sensor because it's more demanding.

Obviously, the R5 resolution sensor generates more heat than the 12MP A7SIII. But I don't think it's as big of a factor as the sensor size.

 

[DLD]

8K-to-whatever takes a lot of processing and, obviously, generates a lot of heat. But a two hour recovery time is unacceptable for the vast majority of R5/R6 users.

 

[Liam Hall]

Laugh all you want.

I am. And for clarity, it's this that I'm laughing at, not the point about FF:

I think they could have done a way better job on the R5 if they wanted

 

[Jaime Valles]

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...-r5-and-canon-eos-r6.38979/page-4#post-851397 "I got to use an r5 today out at a Motocross event and well it turned off from only doing photos. This was using the ef to rf adapter and a 200mm f2. This was used for over a time period of 2.5-3 hrs and it was 86 degrees out. I’m glad that I didn’t buy it and needless to say my friend who did is pretty disappointed. I love 1d bodies"

Wow, if this isn't an isolated incident, this is really bad for the R5. I've shot photos with my 1DX II for a full day (swapping between 3 batteries) in full Summer tropical heat and direct sunlight in the Bahamas with zero issues. I would never go back to a photo camera body that can't give me more than a couple of hours of shooting.

 

[mico]

It's kind of amusing to me that so many people - perhaps the same people - roundly criticized RED for chasing greater resolution. And now people are going gaga for the UMP 12K. (And Canon 8K.) In some ways, the 12K feels like a vindication of RED's approach (although yes, the 12K does not use a Bayer array)

Well you can edit the BMD 12k on a laptop. So why not give us as many Mpix as they can if its so computationally easy. Red would have you pumping money on rocket cards or something. BiG Big difference.

 

[ahalpert]

Well you can edit the BMD 12k on a laptop. So why not give us as many Mpix as they can if its so computationally easy. Red would have you pumping money on rocket cards or something. BiG Big difference.

Sure and that's great. But I specifically recall a lot of folks saying 8K was overkill or that 4K was overkill.

 

[Tom Roper]

Sure and that's great. But I specifically recall a lot of folks saying 8K was overkill or that 4K was overkill.

That’s what they always say until they have it, then there’s no doing without it.

 

[Tom Roper]

Also kind of like seeing DR from the highlights, everybody *sees* the difference supposedly but unless Amazon Prime or Netflix told me it was HD not 4K, I’m never positive what I’m watching. Amazon Prime Firestick has an option for displaying content at the native frame rate 24p or 24p contained within 60p. Can you see that difference? I can’t.

 

[ahalpert]

That is what I am thinking. I hope some comparisons come out with this thought in mind. I am doing a lot of thinking and number crunching as I really like the image quality out of these cameras.

Now you've got me thinking about getting the R6 to use with an external recorder...probably a bad idea tho...