Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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Carlos Morillo
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If you bought the R5 more fore for stills than video, I think you will be super happy. Look how well the R5 holds up against a GFX 100 in terms of DR:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS R5,FujiFilm GFX 100
I think that's really good result. More importantly If you are a portrait shooter, it gives you a great camera body to pair with the RF 85mm F1.2L which in my subjective opinion I prefer the look of over the Otus 85mm and trails only the GF 110mm by a little bit.
If you mainly do portraits I would have zero hesitations buying an R5 along with the RF 85mm 1.2L. You really are getting one of the best setups possible.
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS R5,FujiFilm GFX 100
I think that's really good result. More importantly If you are a portrait shooter, it gives you a great camera body to pair with the RF 85mm F1.2L which in my subjective opinion I prefer the look of over the Otus 85mm and trails only the GF 110mm by a little bit.
If you mainly do portraits I would have zero hesitations buying an R5 along with the RF 85mm 1.2L. You really are getting one of the best setups possible.
ahalpert
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Thanks for sharing. Footage looks lovely. Highly detailed, beautiful colors. My only quibble is that the DR doesn't seem quite as high as some cameras. But judging by the chart that Carlos posted, that probably has more to do with the encoding than the sensor. Maybe they will give it a boost with new gamma options later
ahalpert
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And there's the dual native ISO boost in DR that most cameras seem to have. I'm confused about what qualifies as an actual dual native ISO. I guess if it supposedly had the same DR at the higher ISO? I don't think any camera achieves that anyway
Carlos Morillo
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If Canon brings C-Log 3 or 2 in a firmware update, the dynamic range will be excellent on the R5.
For the majority of the camera - any camera - owners, the imposed limitations of R5 and R6 are excessive. They're not advertised as "B-cams". The YouTube'rs alone, discounting the paid shills, have already put a major dent into company's reputation. It's unacceptable.
PS. The paid shills took a hit too.
ahalpert
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I dont think that matters to Liam. We can complain all we want that it doesn't do what we want. It won't matter to him as long as it does what he wants.
Personally, I'm angry because I need a little gimbal cam that can roll all day. I really like the R5 and it could have done the job. Canon clearly crippled it by not addressing the heat. How annoying
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NorBro, those videos are lovely. Nice to see your wok.
I really liked this shot in particular. The movement and the balance came together nicely.
...and those colours!
I really liked this shot in particular. The movement and the balance came together nicely.
...and those colours!
Liam Hall
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Exactly, as James said earlier, it's just another tool in the box. And it only stays in the box if it pays for itself and if something comes along that fits my needs better I'l swap it out.
I don't think Canon crippled the camera, I think they've just reached beyond the limit of what the form factor can support. Speaking to my dealer yesterday it feels as if Canon have erred on the side of caustion with the heat management and that maybe addressed in an upcoming firmware. Clog3 looks sure to be added too by which time no one will remember what some numpty YouTuber said.
ahalpert
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Bollocks. Not that it matters, but everything I've read and seen indicates not that they failed to fix the heat problem, but that they didnt even try. I dont think there's much a firmware update can do either, beyond setting a higher shut-off temperature and maybe finding some processor functions that can be shut off during recording.
And the logic of Canon's strategy is borne out by all the people saying, "gee, if I want an R5 that works, I guess I just need to spend 2-3x the money."
The cripple hammer is still in use, but it's become stealthy
Liam Hall
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Everything you've read where, written by who? Chelsea Northrup LOL? Only kidding.. Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I agree re-firmware.
ahalpert
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Lol. True it's all rumors, speculation and 2nd-hand info. But basically I've gotten the sense that Canon knew well in advance that it would have these issues. And more importantly, someone tore it apart and found a lack of basic heat management design:
Now, that could be false. I dont know. I haven't torn it apart myself and I dont know anything about internals. And again - it doesn't matter why!
But I see Sony and Canon both serving up half-baked goods in order to differentiate product lines and sell more cameras. Canon with the heat problem. Sony with the limited sensor resolution. You don't care about the heat and I dont care about the 12MP, so I guess everyone gets something they like.
A lot of these Sony videos have not impressed me with the look. But there's one guy's stuff I like who apparently only did contrast and saturation adjustments to his s-log3 footage and I think it looks pretty natural. Either way, clients have always seemed happy with Sony colors so I think I'll let it go
NorBro
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NorBro, those videos are lovely. Nice to see your wok.
I really liked this shot in particular. The movement and the balance came together nicely.
...and those colours!
Thanks, man!
They can do quite a few things (besides releasing R6 in a C100/200 body for $5,500 rather than $2,500). They can replace a portion of the polycarbonate shell with an aluminum based alloy, with a small heat sink welded to it from the outside. That alone should give it a greater cooling property. Or they can put it into a different, much larger shell.
The worst thing is that the camera shuts off when it's cool to the touch, as posted here and in other places. Which means there's a timer that shuts the camera down because it's programmed that way. That part can probably be hacked from the OS.
Then there's a TTL solution, as posted by NorBro a few pages back. It's, obviously, an inconvenience but the one that should be able to resuscitate R5/6 back to life quickly.
PS. Chelsea Northrup is an attractive woman. Her aside, this is turning into a PR nightmare for Canon and, instead of the "deflect & deny & delay" policy, it behooves them to come clean, suggest some form of accommodation to its users and propose a consumer friendly outcome. Because that loyal consumer is leaving the photo-video industry in droves.
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Run&Gun
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And this is the problem, in general, today. So many out there expect every camera, no matter the price point or what it’s main purpose really is, to be that all-inclusive, all-powerful “A cam”. They expect the $xxx-$x,xxx dslr/mirrorless to be a five-figure RED or six-figure Alexa LF. Everything is a trade-off, even at the six-figure level, and of course, there will be even more at three & four.
Run&Gun
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And for anyone interested, as of about 15-20 minutes ago, the R5 was showing as ‘In Stock’ on Canon’s direct sales site(shop.usa.canon)(saw that on The Digital Picture and checked it out for myself, but didn’t buy)(and their site has been really screwy the last few days, including showing items in or out of stock, depending on what browser you use).
ahalpert
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hmm...there are always trade-offs. but people have used mirrorless cameras as a cams for a while. i work for a corporate agency that shoots everything on their gh5 cams and only hires my fs7 when the client will be on-site
you're giving canon a free pass. the trade-off should be that it's a dinky body with no mounting options that must be rigged for shoulder mounting