Canon R5 Announced with 8k

[NorBro]

Can you still shoot in the 4K standard (non HQ) mode up to 30 fps after the overheating warning appears? Or do you have to switch to HD?

Yes, you can - but I don't know how long it would last. Maybe for a long time just like HD.

 

[NorBro]

Thank you so much NorBro for the firsthand report!

On the shoots I do, everyone from DP to the art department to client to me generally like to have picture up on the monitors quite a bit. We can't just turn the camera on before we roll.

I am curious if it's possible to program a button so you can switch to HD mode and back really easily (and hopefully it doesn't knock the Teradek out) and if that would help overheating.

It's a bit of a long shot though... and my nightmare would be the camera gets left in HD mode when we roll!

Bruce Allen
www.bruceallen.tv

Unfortunately you can't, but that's a good idea though.

You can pretty much add everything possible to your favorite menus/tabs and change quickly from there, but there is a short list of 20 or so commands you can use the buttons for. A very strong short list for things you use consistently, but not resolution/framerates.

 

[NorBro]

Thanks for the feedback NorBro. I can't quite tell if this was on purpose or just wading too deep into the pool for Canon. If it was on purpose that is quite a risk of customer goodwill. If they do not have the technical capability then why go to market? Strange but either way, I am not going anywhere near one until more light gets shed by Canon. I have my doubts this can be "fixed" at this stage in the game. It is a shame as the images really look nice. The only saving grace would be if one can be happy with the 4k low quality mode. But, I am concerned about the camera in general if it overheats just by being on. That seems like a design flaw for a mirrorless camera. But what do I know!

The strange thing is the camera never becomes physically hot. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I think a lot of people would be perfectly fine with the lower 4K quality. You just won't be able to tell the difference on YouTube not side-by-side, or if the overall product is really good.

For years, people have been producing gorgeous work with much inferior cameras...but these days we're all just insane pixel analyzers.

 

[ahalpert]

Unfortunately you can't, but that's a good idea though.

You can pretty much add everything possible to your favorite menus/tabs and change quickly from there, but there is a short list of 20 or so commands you can use the buttons for. A very strong short list for things you use consistently, but not resolution/framerates.

Isn't the default setting on the camera to switch to a low-quality readout when you're not rolling? I read that somewhere. Though I think it was standard 4K and not HD

 

[stewhem]

In case you want to check the quality before the thing is withdrawn for a total re-design

https://vimeo.com/439692505

 

[puredrifting]

Ppl shoot with battery grips all the time. It's still compact. And it's still a FF 8K RAW camera for under $5k

FWIW, we bought the Fuji battery grip for our first X-T3. Love it, having three batteries makes shooting with the X-T3 all day so much easier.
The ability to hot swap batteries while rolling is great. Mirrorless cameras are so small and light that adding the battery grip just gets you back to DSLR territory.

I still think making mirrorless cameras as small and light as humanly possible is great for still shooters and sucks for video shooters. That's why we end up adding 5-6lbs
of battery grips, cages, monitors, handles, mics to these tiny cameras to make them actually usable handheld. Then we are back to "Buy the right camera for the job."
Our X-T3, fully rigged for handheld is at 5-6lbs and is functional. But it's an ergonomic mess. Why not just grab the C200 with just a battery instead and shoot 4K RAW? On a tripod,
either works great, but handheld, the C200 (or C300 MKIII, C500MKII, FX9) are so superior.

 

[NorBro]

Isn't the default setting on the camera to switch to a low-quality readout when you're not rolling? I read that somewhere. Though I think it was standard 4K and not HD

I'm not sure what it's doing internally, but the resolution and framerate don't change on the screen.

 

[Run&Gun]

Thanks for the feedback NorBro. I can't quite tell if this was on purpose or just wading too deep into the pool for Canon. If it was on purpose that is quite a risk of customer goodwill. If they do not have the technical capability then why go to market? Strange but either way, I am not going anywhere near one until more light gets shed by Canon. I have my doubts this can be "fixed" at this stage in the game. It is a shame as the images really look nice. The only saving grace would be if one can be happy with the 4k low quality mode. But, I am concerned about the camera in general if it overheats just by being on. That seems like a design flaw for a mirrorless camera. But what do I know!

I’ve read so much in the last 24-48 hours that I can’t keep track of where I see things: here, CR, NewsShooter, etc..., but I read somewhere last night someone saying they have a friend in Canon who said that they knew exactly what the camera would do late last year/early this year and it’s working exactly as designed and as Canon knew it would, they just didn’t expect this level of backlash over it.

 

[ahalpert]

I'm not sure what it's doing internally, but the resolution and framerate don't change on the screen.

From newsshooter:

"This is what Canon recommends:

Set Overheat Control function to “ON” (default). When the overheat control function is enabled, the movie size and frame rate are automatically changed while the camera is in standby mode to suppress the rise of the internal temperature."

 

[DLD]

... a friend in Canon who said that they knew exactly what the camera would do late last year/early this year and it’s working exactly as designed and as Canon knew it would, they just didn’t expect this level of backlash over it...

Of course, they knew. It's like all those tests on Nürburgring Nordschleife, every run is measured and cars are calibrated and recalibrated before even the camo comes off. A year ago, the new Z01 turbo Vette (900 hp) supposedly developed some structural cracks after a few laps. That version went back for a redesign.

 

[NorBro]

From newsshooter:

"This is what Canon recommends:

Set Overheat Control function to “ON” (default). When the overheat control function is enabled, the movie size and frame rate are automatically changed while the camera is in standby mode to suppress the rise of the internal temperature."

When we all read that weeks ago, I was confused about it.

And I also double-checked after your question before replying above.

They don't change...at least not on the screen when the camera is operating normally. Maybe they change when you actually overheat, but then I don't see the point as you want to reduce as much heat as possible as soon as the camera is turned on.

I am interested in finding out because I mostly shoot with the info display off and possibly could have missed it yesterday if it changed after the symbol appeared.

[And the setting is on by default.]

 

[Run&Gun]

Of course, they knew. It's like all those tests on Nürburgring Nordschleife, every run is measured and cars are calibrated and recalibrated before even the camo comes off. A year ago, the new Z01 turbo Vette (900 hp) supposedly developed some structural cracks after a few laps. That version went back for a redesign.

Yes. Things like this aren’t just designed and pushed out in a few months. Most people have no idea how much design and testing actually goes into these kinds of things, today. This isn’t the 30’s/40’s where someone just grabs some paper and a slide-rule and designs and builds a prop plane in a month.

 

[Bassman2003]

Thanks. Well, I guess one needs to decide if the LQ 4k works for their quality standards. If it does, the HQ modes are there for jobs that will accommodate. Nuff said, go be happy.

The R6 is kind of a wild card to me as it does not seem to have the LQ 4k mode to fall back on.

We are not surprised at the reaction. (I would guess the top folks at Canon are not either). Maybe they can improve some things via firmware and a middle ground can be had. It is also strange to hear is that it still overheats with an external recorder. Apparently the overheat function is disabled with an external recorder. If they can just do a little better I think a lot of folks would be happy.

 

[ahalpert]

When we all read that weeks ago, I was confused about it.

And I also double-checked after your question before replying above.

They don't change...at least not on the screen when the camera is operating normally. Maybe they change when you actually overheat, but then I don't see the point as you want to reduce as much heat as possible as soon as the camera is turned on.

I am interested in finding out because I mostly shoot with the info display off and possibly could have missed it yesterday if it changed after the symbol appeared.

[And the setting is on by default.]

I'm assuming the displayed settings don't change because that's what you'll record in. But that the LiveView display is being fed by a 30fps pixel-binned readout instead of higher fps or full readout

 

[ahalpert]

This isn’t the 30’s/40’s where someone just grabs some paper and a slide-rule and designs and builds a prop plane in a month.

True story?

 

[Run&Gun]

When we all read that weeks ago, I was confused about it.

And I also double-checked after your question before replying above.

They don't change...at least not on the screen when the camera is operating normally. Maybe they change when you actually overheat, but then I don't see the point as you want to reduce as much heat as possible as soon as the camera is turned on.

I am interested in finding out because I mostly shoot with the info display off and possibly could have missed it yesterday if it changed after the symbol appeared.

[And the setting is on by default.]

The way it reads to me, the info display will still say your recording framerate and rez, but what the camera is actually doing in standby will actually not be the same FR/Rez. For example(just making this up, IDK all the FR/Rez combos) you’re recording 4K/120P, but when in standby the camera actually drops to say 1080/30P, but the display still indicates 4K/120, because that’s what it will record when you come out of standby. Or is this not the case?

 

[Peter C.]

Of course, they knew.

Clearly its been designed to cripple the camera so it can't compete against it's cinema line. They're using the 8k FF specs to sell the camera while taking advantage of the over heating that limits its use. I call it a built in asterisk . It's Canon what do you expect?

 

[Run&Gun]

True story?

I was being slightly facetious. My point being, manufacturers designed and built things much quicker in less technologically advanced times than today. Complex, technological devices from major companies are usually years in the making from idea through design, engineering, testing and production. So even though it may seem to some, because of the flaws that they see, that Canon F’d up and these flaws somehow slipped through the cracks, they didn’t. They designed the cracks and knew exactly what was going to fall through them, so to speak.

 

[Tom Roper]

R5 is the MGB with Lucas electrics. The headlamps had 3 settings, off, dim and flicker.

 

[DLD]

FWIW, during the WWII propeller & piston engine fighter era, it took about a year from the moment a full spec list was issued and the first prototype flew. Then, it often took another half a year or so to get the kinks out. The larger the plane - single engine fighter => twin engine bomber => four engine bomber - the more time it took.

And, yes, it was a slide rule and an abacus (technically speaking, the Germans had the first computer by 1942 but they only built several units).