Canon R5 Announced with 8k

Well, I spoke too soon.

The free filter kit that I never, ever get with lenses - but this time did for some reason (and that's considered all one product) - was out of stock, so they didn't even ship the lens today but they shipped everything else that was part of the order (other little things).

So I'll have just a camera tomorrow and will have to track down a lens from another store who thinks by RF I meant to say EF.

Where is the facepalm emoji so I can make it as big as this entire page.
 
NorBro said:
Well, I spoke too soon.

The free filter kit that I never, ever get with lenses - but this time did for some reason (and that's considered all one product) - was out of stock, so they didn't even ship the lens today but they shipped everything else that was part of the order (other little things).

So I'll have just a camera tomorrow and will have to track down a lens from another store who thinks by RF I meant to say EF.

Where is the facepalm emoji so I can make it as big as this entire page.
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lol that sucks. You'll have it soon enough though.

Also, TLDR - is there hope the R5 can be used in a crop mode without issue, or at least fewer issues?
 
The Canon chart says anything S35 4K/30p and below is not affected by heat - so yes if that's doable.

That's also the 5.1K oversampled mode so it looks nicer than the lower-quality FF mode.

The S35 4K/60p is limited by heat, but it's also a 5.1K oversample.
 
NorBro said:
The Canon chart says anything S35 4K/30p and below is not affected by heat - so yes if that's doable.

That's also the 5.1K oversampled mode so it looks nicer than the lower-quality FF mode.

The S35 4K/60p is limited by heat, but it's also a 5.1K oversample.
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Thanks.

I'd gladly give up FF and could live w/o 120p but questionable S35 4k60p might be where I draw the line.

I loved using the EOS R but the image mostly looks like crap. This isn't a problem if it's more about capturing action as an A camera but I don't think it's good enough trying to keep up with c200 crl as a B cam.

I was hoping the R5 would bridge the gap and while it looks like it will IQ wise, I think I still need to do more homework on S35 slow motion reliability.

The good thing about small cameras is they're way easier to rent - you're in and out with a messenger bag vs. dealing with massive road cases for cinema type cameras.
 
People's experiences, results are all over the place so it's tough to know what the deal is, but I still believe many will be fine if they are not continuously rolling.

Taking extremely high resolution stills for a period of time and then shooting video doesn't count.

So I think that if you start up a cold camera and capture 10-20 random 60p clips in an hour (all less than a minute long), I predict there is no way the camera is overheating.

But non-stop rolling, not happening for a longer day.
 
NorBro said:
People's experiences, results are all over the place so it's tough to know what the deal is, but I still believe many will be fine if they are not continuously rolling.

Taking extremely high resolution stills for a period of time and then shooting video doesn't count.

So I think that if you start up a cold camera and capture 10-20 random 60p clips in an hour (all less than a minute long), I predict there is no way the camera is overheating.

But non-stop rolling, not happening for a longer day.
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I usually hate speculation of the next product so soon after a release but what does canon do with the r5 ii? I don't see how they can make a bigger body OR regress in paper specs by restricting resolution (/frame rates).
 
Exercise in general is great, but you can lift stuff around the house to build up your shoulders, which is 99% what is needed for that, strong shoulders.

Front and side lateral raises. And standing or sitting shoulder presses.

Need to start slow though as tearing a rotator cuff with too much weight is a common injury.
 
rob norton said:
Maybe I really just need a zhiyun crane 3s and a gym membership.
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You don't need a gym membership if you rock the gimbal. My arm built up to the Ronin-S and s1, not that that's the heaviest set-up. Just be careful of your wrist - tilting the gimbal handle with my wrist can really strain it. I try to keep my wrist locked
 
rob norton said:
I usually hate speculation of the next product so soon after a release but what does canon do with the r5 ii? I don't see how they can make a bigger body OR regress in paper specs by restricting resolution (/frame rates).
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The R5 is a photographer's camera first and foremost. You won't see the sequel for 2-3 years and I do not think they'll fix it for video. The only way it would improve in my guess is if the electronics become more power-efficient and less heat-generative via developments that have nothing to do with the camera
 
ahalpert said:
You don't need a gym membership if you rock the gimbal. My arm built up to the Ronin-S and s1, not that that's the heaviest set-up. Just be careful of your wrist - tilting the gimbal handle with my wrist can really strain it. I try to keep my wrist locked
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I did ronin-s/eos r with 24-70 all day the first time I ever used one. The combo would be crane s3/c200/IDK what lens, maybe a pancake. Rather than all day though, it would more likely be for a handful of gimbal shots.

Ronin-2/ready rig is ideal!
 
rob norton said:
I did ronin-s/eos r with 24-70 all day the first time I ever used one. The combo would be crane s3/c200/IDK what lens, maybe a pancake. Rather than all day though, it would more likely be for a handful of gimbal shots.

Ronin-2/ready rig is ideal!
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The only thing I dont like about something like ready rig is it's nice to just grab the gimbal and go and be unfettered.

Yeah crane 3s/C200 you are getting up there in weight. But with a dual handle set-up it might be fine if you can afford to let the autofocus take control without your input?

The thing for me with the S1 on Ronin-S was I was pulling focus manually. So aside from adding a monitor and a motor to the weight, I had to keep my left hand on the focus wheel. No opportunity there for a dual handle, which would also probably have been useful for stability. With an A7S3 I would love to go dual handle and just pay attention to framing and operating. But you have to tap the screen to rack focus, so even with the A7S3 I may be stuck single-handled
 
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ahalpert said:
The only thing I dont like about something like ready rig is it's nice to just grab the gimbal and go and be unfettered.

Yeah crane 3s/C200 you are getting up there in weight. But with a dual handle set-up it might be fine if you can afford to let the autofocus take control without your input?

The thing for me with the S1 on Ronin-S was I was pulling focus manually. So aside from adding a monitor and a motor to the weight, I had to keep my left hand on the focus wheel. No opportunity there for a dual handle, which would also probably have been useful for stability. With an A7S3 I would love to go dual handle and just pay attention to framing and operating. But you have to tap the screen to rack focus, so even with the A7S3 I may be stuck single-handled
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I don’t rate the RR that much, they’re clunky to adjust and annoying to hook in and out of but sort of a current necessary evil if you’re doing larger gimbal thing.

Re focus, that’s right, I’d be using “tracking” as much as possible. In the case of the c200, I’d assign one of the buttons on the LCD to “cancel” then if focus goes crazy it’s just cancel then touch the screen to select a point to track again (in theory!).

I’ll be awaiting your reports if you buy the a7sIII, you’ll be raving about the AF (possibly while cursing a few scenarios).
 
rob norton said:
I don’t rate the RR that much, they’re clunky to adjust and annoying to hook in and out of but sort of a current necessary evil if you’re doing larger gimbal thing.

Re focus, that’s right, I’d be using “tracking” as much as possible. In the case of the c200, I’d assign one of the buttons on the LCD to “cancel” then if focus goes crazy it’s just cancel then touch the screen to select a point to track again (in theory!).

I’ll be awaiting your reports if you buy the a7sIII, you’ll be raving about the AF (possibly while cursing a few scenarios).
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"don't rate" = "don't like" ?

yeah i hate doing the larger gimbal thing. on top of the weight, holding it from the top is murder. and i'm short (5'7") so that adds a couple extra inches of required lift. i'm stronger than average, but it works shoulder/back muscles you don't use that much in your normal day.

pistol grip gimbals on the other hand use more bicep and you hold from beneath, are lighter, you can rig them to a light stand. and they're cheap and i own one :)

not quite as smooth as the bigger boys but good enough

interesting about canceling focus on c200. i wish i could just leave my hands on the handles but until we can control the camera telepathically, my left hand will be going back and forth to set focus.

i heard the a7s3 has a sort of full-time auto override where you can be pulling focus manually and then touch the screen and it will start tracking AF. I think going the opposite way (full-time MF override) would be more useful. maybe it can do that somehow.

re:cursing a few scenarios - my fear is being one of those "the camera missed!" guys, but then again i guess i can miss, too. but usually i'm aware of it at the time. it's going to be a slow process for me to develop trust in autofocus and get to the point of relaxing about it. but i'm optimistic
 
I'm coming around to the R6 as a b-roll\gimbal cam to my C100s, C200, etc.

  • The 1080p from the EOS R looks great on YouTube when upscaled (potato Jet and such) and Jordan Drake says the 1080p from the R6 is sharper than the R.
  • hopefully none of the 1080p modes overheat
  • according to the R6 manual, the 1080p has no crop (vs the slight crop in 4K)
  • Crop 4K mode will hopefully be a full readout of that portion of the sensor
  • Hopefully all frame-rates below 60p in crop 4K mode will not overheat
  • Crop 4K mode will allow use of a speedbooster, and the use of ef-s lenses up to 60P (hello Sigma 18-35, me ol' chum)

Any flaws in this reasoning?
 
Well, I wager that you're right that it won't overheat in 1080p because if it's not the same crop as 4K then it's not doing a full readout
 
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