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AndreeOnline said:
I always start with the cheapest option that seems authentic.

So when it comes to memory cards I'm still in the cheap camp because I've had zero failures with flash media. Then again, it's easy to recognise faulty media: it drops frames or stops recording.

With batteries someone might get 20min out of a P6K and think "wow, this camera really draws a lot of power", and not think twice about the brand of the battery. Even the 'in the box' LP-E6 is off brand "Blackmagic Design".

Latest buy was a Silcon Power CFast that shoots until full in all modes of the P6K. 256GB for $139.

Maybe the spread in quality is less in flash media than in battery cells? I've tried more than a handful off brand LP-E6 at various times (whatever was popular at the time: just like you recommend Watson now).

I'm done with the battery copy cats but I honestly wish you all continued good luck with your alternatives.
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I already have Canon batteries, and just added the off-brand to the second list to make more of a difference between the two.

I was going to swap out the card reader with a cheaper one too, but then I assume all heck would break loose.
 
AndreeOnline said:
I always start with the cheapest option that seems authentic.

So when it comes to memory cards I'm still in the cheap camp because I've had zero failures with flash media. Then again, it's easy to recognise faulty media: it drops frames or stops recording.

With batteries someone might get 20min out of a P6K and think "wow, this camera really draws a lot of power", and not think twice about the brand of the battery. Even the 'in the box' LP-E6 is off brand "Blackmagic Design".

Latest buy was a Silcon Power CFast that shoots until full in all modes of the P6K. 256GB for $139.

Maybe the spread in quality is less in flash media than in battery cells? I've tried more than a handful off brand LP-E6 at various times (whatever was popular at the time: just like you recommend Watson now).

I'm done with the battery copy cats but I honestly wish you all continued good luck with your alternatives.
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I used to think that all "quality" memory cards were OK to use. But now when it comes to media, if a manufacturer has a recommended/approved list, I religiously stick to it, because I've experienced first hand what can happen otherwise(fortunately during testing, not "for real"). And it was actually name brand, quality media that was above the minimum read/write speeds, it just wasn't on the list and there was something about it that the equipment didn't like. And if there isn't an "approved list", I usually go with SanDisk. I used to use Lexar, until they were sold-off several years ago.
 
AndreeOnline said:
With batteries someone might get 20min out of a P6K and think "wow, this camera really draws a lot of power", and not think twice about the brand of the battery. Even the 'in the box' LP-E6 is off brand "Blackmagic Design".
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The P6K is a demanding camera and may require a higher operating voltage? Perhaps some cheap batteries fall down there. Plus if the camera is getting 40 min in a best case scenario you're in tough shape

I bought 2 pickle power batteries for my S1 and they lasted just as long as the panny battery - about 3-4 hours
 
ahalpert said:
A cheap experiment though. I bought an lpe6 new on ebay for $1 and 2 with a charger for $9. They all work great in my 5dmk3 and ikan d7. A $1k iphone costs $100 to make...
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Unless it blows up or shorts something out, it would be a cheap experiment.

Everyone always like to talk about how "inexpensive" the parts are to build an iPhone, but no one like to talk about the MILLIONS spent in R&D.
 
Run&Gun said:
Unless it blows up or shorts something out, it would be a cheap experiment.

Everyone always like to talk about how "inexpensive" the parts are to build an iPhone, but no one like to talk about the MILLIONS spent in R&D.
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The LPE6 has been around since at least 2008 and the design has long since been reverse engineered. Canon may charge 10x the production costs. But the product is much simpler than an iPhone and thus easier for 3rd parties to copy. Notice that I don't own any off-brand Chinese cameras. Though those are getting good too.

My batteries haven't blown up but I suppose you're right that's a risk. Even MBPs had battery overheating problems.

Judging by the look of the batteries - they might be more likely to break if you dropped them than the Canons. That's never happened to me. Like cheap lens adapters - those aren't machined as well and usually have more wiggle...
 
Run&Gun said:
...Buy a camera(or any gear) for what it can do today, not what it MIGHT be able to do tomorrow.
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Ask any C300 MKII (when are they adding 4K 60p!!!?!?!?) and any C200 owner (They're going to add 10-bit 4:2:2 XF AVC via firmware, right!?!??). God, the vitriol, misplaced anger
and stupidity with the amount of pixels killed complaining why Canon didn't do either of these should serve as a permanent cautionary tale about buying cameras for future
possible upgrades.
 
NorBro said:
In this Pocket 4K LPE6 test (and it's just one test, doesn't mean everything), the BM outperformed the Canon....
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Kind of on the same "battery" topic. A few months ago, some dude from the UK tested the popular electric car models and found out that the "real range" can fall between 75% to 90% of the claimed. One presumes that he didn't floor the pedal on some vs. the others.

But, Porsche Taycan was tested by the EPA to have a 200 mile range instead of the claimed 300 and most car mags were shocked at whoever did this test for the EPA because they were getting 235-250 easily. I guess someone really overcranked Taycan for the US, as the Euro testers rate it at 278.
 
DLD said:
Kind of on the same "battery" topic. A few months ago, some dude from the UK tested the popular electric car models and found out that the "real range" can fall between 75% to 90% of the claimed. One presumes that he didn't floor the pedal on some vs. the others.

But, Porsche Taycan was tested by the EPA to have a 200 mile range instead of the claimed 300 and most car mags were shocked at whoever did this test for the EPA because they were getting 235-250 easily. I guess someone really overcranked Taycan for the US, as the Euro testers rate it at 278.
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With a typical gas or diesel engine vehicle, stop-and-go driving(city) KILLS the mileage. Which do electric vehicles do better with, city or highway driving?
 
NorBro said:
In this Pocket 4K LPE6 test (and it's just one test, doesn't mean everything), the BM outperformed the Canon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOSiyP7J9hQ

There are more tests on YouTube with promising performance results for off-brand alternatives.

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I find most any batteries do oof when new. It is when they age a bit that they randomly give out at 20%, or they seem fully charged and then last 10min.

Which third party batteries have you found do well? Assuming it is a best seller on BH.
 
Run&Gun said:
With a typical gas or diesel engine vehicle, stop-and-go driving(city) KILLS the mileage. Which do electric vehicles do better with, city or highway driving?
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They do better on both but mo' better in the city. That said, Taycan Turbo S (and, no, there's no no reason whatsoever to call an electric car "turbo") is rated at 750 hp, so it drains its batteries a lot faster than a car designed for maximum efficiency. Those top out currently at ~ 4.5 miles per KW, while Taycan is at ~ 2-2.25.

Of course, Taycan's 0-60 is ~ 2.4s, which is greater than 1G (1G is roughly 2.7s). It doesn't drive like a plug-in Prius.
 
DLD said:
They do better on both but mo' better in the city. That said, Taycan Turbo S (and, no, there's no no reason whatsoever to call an electric car "turbo") is rated at 750 hp, so it drains its batteries a lot faster than a car designed for maximum efficiency. Those top out currently at ~ 4.5 miles per KW, while Taycan is at ~ 2-2.25.

Of course, Taycan's 0-60 is ~ 2.4s, which is greater than 1G (1G is roughly 2.7s). It doesn't drive like a plug-in Prius.
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If we can find a way to easily and reliably power all the film equipment from these cars, I might have to get a Taycan or something. Might work out to the same cost as Vitec batteries.
 
James0b57 said:
I find most any batteries do oof when new. It is when they age a bit that they randomly give out at 20%, or they seem fully charged and then last 10min.

Which third party batteries have you found do well? Assuming it is a best seller on BH.
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Only Watson and Ikan. Maybe some other one that was free in a kit at some point in life.

Although inaccurate readings may eventually be related to the battery's true health, they are also due to some cheaper batteries not communicating with the camera properly (especially over time as they age).

On a contrary but related note: With older non-battery plate Blackmagics, if you used a brick battery (even the best brands) to power them via D-tap, the battery meter sometimes would go haywire ranging from 10% to 100% even though the camera was able to be powered for 8+ hours straight.

In reality, I don't have as much battery experience as ahalpert seems to have with them as I've never owned a camera or any of its third-party batteries long enough to know how they would eventually end up.
 
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