Canon R5 Announced with 8k

Yeah a swivel EVF so you could see it from above or from the side. Or detachable so you could outrig it. So sort of a normal independent EVF lol.

I haven't used the S1H but I think my S1 has the same EVF - B&H lists the specs for both EVFs the same. The S1 has a very nice EVF and I enjoy using it when I'm shooting like a stills cameraman, which is a lot of fun. But it inhibits using it on a rig or going low angles easily. So I only use the EVF if I'll be shooting handheld from eye-level to waist-level for a bit.

And since my S1 is usually on a gimbal while I have another camera/s on tripod/shoulder rig/slider, I hardly use its EVF at all, sadly. (I guess the EVF is moot on a gimbal even if it swiveled.)

But yeah it looks nice and It's fun to use, and coupled with the nice IBIS on the camera, it's not hard to get good footage that way.

And I suppose if I were taller, I'd be more inclined to use the EVF in monopod-type situations (with or without a monopod) but I'm only 5'7" so the EVF is useless if I need a higher angle.

One of the things I enjoy about the gimbal is using it like a monopod. I can raise it up and get the camera to 7 or 8' or so and keep it steady and level effortlessly while monitoring on my monitor from below. I can wedge the camera next to a wall above a table just as easily. Great for doc stuff that way.
 
I can only say, from my experience with the 1DC, having a built in EVF is better than no EVF. If someone can figure out an elegant solution for a built in swivel EVF, i am for that. But if it adds too much bulk, i might prefer other things, like BNC out for an external EVF. There isn’t a lot of real estate on a mirrorless body, so, a swivel EVF might take up space from other things. So, i’d have to see it.

Can the S1 flip out screen handle a diopter? I used to do that on the 60D.

Think you could draw your idea for a swivel EVF?
 
Jaime Valles said:
The R5 will likely be better for video than the 1DX III because:

1) It's higher resolution (8K vs 5.5K)
2) It has a swivel screen
3) It can have ND filters on the EF adapter
4) It's lighter weight so better for gimbals/drones
5) It'll likely be significantly less expensive

That said, there's no way to know if the image quality will be better, the same or worse until footage from both starts appearing online in well-controlled shootouts. We just have to wait it out.
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all good points. i have to say the RF lenses are expensive as all hell ugh
 
James0b57 said:
I can only say, from my experience with the 1DC, having a built in EVF is better than no EVF. If someone can figure out an elegant solution for a built in swivel EVF, i am for that. But if it adds too much bulk, i might prefer other things, like BNC out for an external EVF. There isn’t a lot of real estate on a mirrorless body, so, a swivel EVF might take up space from other things. So, i’d have to see it.

Can the S1 flip out screen handle a diopter? I used to do that on the 60D.

Think you could draw your idea for a swivel EVF?
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Yes any evf better than none and it's a nice evf.

Most basic change I would like would be an EVF that just out a bit and can angle up like on c300. Maybe if the base of the EVF could pop up out of the top a bit then it could have room to swivel.

It could also be detachable completely and use a proprietary connection to the body that you could buy a cable for.

I could probably put a loupe on the screen, though the S1 screen only turns to one side and not the other (but both up and down). I had a loupe on my 7D and that worked very well for me but I was using it for a lot of shoulder-mounted shooting. Honestly, I might be complaining about the S1 too much. But nothing beats having an EVF that you can rig anywhere relative to the body.
 
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Yeah, mirrorless bodies the ultimate design challenge for video.

Ultimately, i think the base should be focused on weather sealing and durability. No loose flappy bits when storing.

If a tilt EVF ended up being any smaller internally and leas glorious that the S1H evf, i’d question the point of even having it, when a flip out lcd does a good job for low and high angle. And then for shoulder rigs, well, you have to use an external evf. So, i’d be willing to compromise on the in body EVF for reliability and the idea that it will always be there not matter how stripped down the camera is. And then i would by a seperate EVF. But i’ll be honest, i haven’t had to use the in uilt evf on a mirrorless much. Maybe my opinion would change after time. I just know a lot of people like the old diopter on the back screen, so, a fixed EvF doesn’t sound awful. So long as the get a better output. Like bnc.

Often times, when talking mirrorless video cameras with others, i find most are thinking in terms of affordable hybrids, but i am talking about a $10K video centric camera, with $5K aks of the same brand. Like a mirrorless base, but the fancy oled evf addition and a breakout box option that would plug into the back like red or c500ii, just much smaller.
 
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That makes sense. It's hard to make a camera to serve all purposes and it's hard to make a camera cheaply.

When I used the 7D with a loupe I had it on an offset arm so there were weights on the shoulder but the cam right in front of my face (I actually liked that a lot). I suppose I could do the same thing with the S1 if I needed and use the EVF instead.

Part of the reason I'm grouchy about it is I like the EVF very much but rarely use it.

Always a good thing to have on a sunny day for bare minimum getting a handle on how the exposure looks even if you frame and pull focus from another monitor.

Generally I'm quite happy with the S1. My only requests would be a wireless remote with exposure controls (I don't think you have full control in the app and anyway you have to link). It would also be nice to have 4K 60p full-frame and not cropped. It would be nice to have good AF as an option. And it would be nice to have varying degrees of compressed internal RAW. Then it would be perfect. And sure give it bnc why not.

But I think it's always going to be a B cam/gimbal cam for ENG-type shooting. And my FS7 or C300 goes handheld/tripod as A cam. I wish I had matching brands but Canon/sony didn't hitherto make a 10-bit 4:2:2 dslm and the Varicam lt/eva1 is not as popular among my clients for some reason.
 
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ahalpert said:
That makes sense. It's hard to make a camera to serve all purposes and it's hard to make a camera cheaply.

When I used the 7D with a loupe I had it on an offset arm so there were weights on the shoulder but the cam right in front of my face (I actually liked that a lot). I suppose I could do the same thing with the S1 if I needed and use the EVF instead.

Part of the reason I'm grouchy about it is I like the EVF very much but rarely use it.

Always a good thing to have on a sunny day for bare minimum getting a handle on how the exposure looks even if you frame and pull focus from another monitor.

Generally I'm quite happy with the S1. My only requests would be a wireless remote with exposure controls (I don't think you have full control in the app and anyway you have to link). It would also be nice to have 4K 60p full-frame and not cropped. It would be nice to have good AF as an option. And it would be nice to have varying degrees of compressed internal RAW. Then it would be perfect. And sure give it bnc why not.

But I think it's always going to be a B cam/gimbal cam for ENG-type shooting. And my FS7 or C300 goes handheld/tripod as A cam. I wish I had matching brands but Canon/sony didn't hitherto make a 10-bit 4:2:2 dslm and the Varicam lt/eva1 is not as popular among my clients for some reason.
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+1!
I hear all of that!
 
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Silenkiller said:
i wonder if anything is lost functionality wise with the adapter? like slower autofocus or something. will have to see
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I've heard that with the adapter the EF lenses will focus with the same speed and everything that they would on an EF body. But that RF lenses probably have somewhat improved focus generally. So personally I would stick with my EF lenses for now if I got it, although there are some cool-looking RF lenses
 
puredrifting said:
We have a good load of clients who are eager to get into production, both live streaming and traditional marketing videos. Some are hoping for early June, we'll see.
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We're hoping to launch some small productions in June also, since Washington is beginning a phased opening right now.

I chatted with an ASC guy last week, and he said he's expecting September for them to resume, but that's for bigger productions that will need to have correspondingly stricter processes.

We're thinking that we can skirt some of their costlier processes by sequestering the cast and crew; that way we only need to test everyone once, and stay isolated for the duration of the shoot... which could work for a small team on a weekend project, not so much for a larger team or for a longer than a weekend project.

Most of the other things that the studios are requiring are things like disinfecting everything and wearing masks, and that sort of thing; those are a lot easier to squeeze into the budget than testing everyone on set every day that they come onto set.
 
Tamerlin said:
We're hoping to launch some small productions in June also, since Washington is beginning a phased opening right now.

I chatted with an ASC guy last week, and he said he's expecting September for them to resume, but that's for bigger productions that will need to have correspondingly stricter processes.

We're thinking that we can skirt some of their costlier processes by sequestering the cast and crew; that way we only need to test everyone once, and stay isolated for the duration of the shoot... which could work for a small team on a weekend project, not so much for a larger team or for a longer than a weekend project.

Most of the other things that the studios are requiring are things like disinfecting everything and wearing masks, and that sort of thing; those are a lot easier to squeeze into the budget than testing everyone on set every day that they come onto set.
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For my friends in entertainment here in Hollywood, I am beginning to think many need to begin looking for a new career. I only work on the fringes of entertainment, shooting EPK and BTS content for the studios. I am beginning to think that EPK is a dead issue for quite a while. If Hollywood has no new product to sell,
there won't be any EPK to shoot. BTS? I don't see that coming back for a long time, if ever. We, as BTS shooters, are typically only on set for a day or two, working side by side with crew who has been working closely together for weeks and sometimes months. It would be an exposure risk to bring in BTS crews to work side
by side with crew and talent that had all been tested, vetted, and known to not be infected or carrying the virus.

OTOH, I am supposed to go to an A List talent's house this Friday and set up a live stream hosting session for them for a large fund raiser for an LA Institution. It seems that working as a OMB is going to be very popular. I am going to bring lav and boom and will show talent how to mic themself and I can maintain at least 10' distance
from them as they shoot their segment, I'll be using a long lens to frame them. Talent seems ok with a OMB coming into their home, setting everything up, they do their thing, then I break down gear and load out. We did this a few weeks ago for a live stream auction and it worked out fine. I think for my business, entertainment
programming is a dead issue, other than my own documentary series, for quite a while.
 
You may be right, but there are many, many crew with skills specific to narrative filmmaking. Plus, there will continue to be a MASSIVE demand for TV and features, especially if less new stuff comes out in the near-term.

The question to me is if unemployment benefits etc. will keep people fed long enough to see production resume. Maybe people will have to temp in an Amazon warehouse until then. I mean - who else is hiring? Not restaurants.
 
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For my friends in entertainment here in Hollywood, I am beginning to think many need to begin looking for a new career. I only work on the fringes of entertainment, shooting EPK and BTS content for the studios. I am beginning to think that EPK is a dead issue for quite a while. If Hollywood has no new product to sell,
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Hollywood will at least get back into it eventually; the demand for entertainment won't stop. If anything it will grow since it's going to probably another 6+ months before we get a vaccine, and even when we're past this, remote work will most likely remain remote.

I also suspect that in spite of the pent up demand for the theater experience, streaming will continue to grow, and so will the demand for more content.

there won't be any EPK to shoot. BTS? I don't see that coming back for a long time, if ever. We, as BTS shooters, are typically only on set for a day or two, working side by side with crew who has been working closely together for weeks and sometimes months. It would be an exposure risk to bring in BTS crews to work side
by side with crew and talent that had all been tested, vetted, and known to not be infected or carrying the virus.
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For people like you who just come for a couple of days you'd still need to be tested, but you'd only need to be tested on the days that you come to set, but in case you test positive and they have to send you home they'll need a backup person to do your job, since if you test positive they wouldn't be able to let you on set.

That also gets into another major upcoming issue that the entire system will have to contend with. That is, what happens when a crew member tests positive during production? Clearly, that crew member can't stay on set. So now a production either needs to have extra staff on board in case they have to send some home for quarantine, or they have to hire new staff on short notice in that case.

And do the staff who are sent home on quarantine stay on the payroll? If not, there goes your pool of freelancers; they won't be able to afford to work like that, and with the number of people on the set plus the amount of work and gear involved, there's almost no way to guarantee that that everyone on set can stay virus free for the duration of a production. If crew lose jobs because of quarantine requirements, the freelance pool will dry up post haste as the freelancers seek other lines of work that are less vulnerable to the virus, while if they stay on the payroll the costs for productions will balloon, along with the insurance costs.

On top of that, EVERYONE but the cast has to be replaceable... including the director, art director, DP, etc.

OTOH, I am supposed to go to an A List talent's house this Friday and set up a live stream hosting session for them for a large fund raiser for an LA Institution. It seems that working as a OMB is going to be very popular. I am going to bring lav and boom and will show talent how to mic themself and I can maintain at least 10' distance
from them as they shoot their segment, I'll be using a long lens to frame them. Talent seems ok with a OMB coming into their home, setting everything up, they do their thing, then I break down gear and load out. We did this a few weeks ago for a live stream auction and it worked out fine. I think for my business, entertainment
programming is a dead issue, other than my own documentary series, for quite a while.
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With a small crew of one, it makes sense; it's a lot easier to keep one person sanitized for the duration of one visit, along with minimal gear, than it is for a production crew.

We're looking at keeping our next few productions under ten people, and for the near term emphasizing outdoor shoots -- it's easier to stay spread out that way, and you don't need to worry as much about sanitizing everything you touch when everything you touch is out in the sun.

That's not to say that we can throw out our precautions, far from it -- we're just going to take advantage of the nature being outside to help us protect each other.
 
Tamerlin said:
For people like you who just come for a couple of days you'd still need to be tested, but you'd only need to be tested on the days that you come to set, but in case you test positive and they have to send you home they'll need a backup person to do your job, since if you test positive they wouldn't be able to let you on set.

That also gets into another major upcoming issue that the entire system will have to contend with. That is, what happens when a crew member tests positive during production? Clearly, that crew member can't stay on set. So now a production either needs to have extra staff on board in case they have to send some home for quarantine, or they have to hire new staff on short notice in that case.
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Based upon past experience, in the near future, the studio HE departments will just skip it. BTS/EPK is always cut first, it's definitely not considered a MUST anymore. When we were in the era of selling consumers pieces of plastic, DVDs and Blurays, it was a revenue center. Now, BTS/EPK and bonus features are considered an optional cost of doing business unfortunately.
All they do is put it on YouTube, EPK.tv or make a half hour TV special with it. But all of those are marketing expenses, not revenue generators. I used to produce a ton of classic title DVDs and box sets for all of the studios, I did Wizard of Oz, King Kong, The Searchers, stuff like that. I used to see the revenue numbers a year later on our box sets and we used
to be a good revenue source for the studios. Those days are over and this Pandemic, I fear is just hammering the biggest nail into the coffin.

Time to reinvent our businesses. I certainly am. No use pining for what used to pay the bills, find the next thing that will pay the bills.

Interesting you mention shooting outside, the shoot I have Friday that was going to be at the talent's home has re-located to shooting outside. I don't mind it, our live stream starts at 6:00 PM so we won't in the heat of the day and the sun will be setting behind talent.
 
You've probably been reading the same thing I have recently about how they are believeing that getting Covid seems to require enclosed spaces with stagnant air and exposure to the virus over time. They imply you don't get it from one cough or sneeze. If that gets any substantiation, it will help codify how productions can proceed under more specific standards than just everyone staying apart.
 
Paul F said:
You've probably been reading the same thing I have recently about how they are believeing that getting Covid seems to require enclosed spaces with stagnant air and exposure to the virus over time. They imply you don't get it from one cough or sneeze...
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It's true on all flu viruses. That's why N95's don't help much either, if you're stuck somewhere with a lot of contaminated air. My FB doctor friend from Vitebsk wore N95 and the face shield - still got sick. He's doing OK now but it's been three weeks already.

And the indoors can be (mostly) disinfected by the UV Rays and the ozone machines.

On top of that, the individual protection includes alcohol based wipes and the internal consumption of small amounts of hard liquor.
 
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