Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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ahalpert
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No idea. I'm guessing you won't be able to get one until 2021 even if they start shipping this summer. But whatever, I won't be buying more gear this year unless I decide to get a P4K to practice with BRAW. That camera is criminally cheap.
Red's been shut down due to the pandemic, but it's gotten permission to reopen -- IIRC Jarred said it was going to start bringing its factory back online this week, but it might be next week. Some of Red's team have been assembling Stormtrooper editions at home, so they're at least getting done.
He also said that while manufacturing was going to resume soon, it's going to have a slow start while the staff set up the necessary precautions for covid safety. So it might be this summer.
Jarred did mention signing off on the final design shortly before Newsom issued the quarantine orders, so at least it's ready for manufacturing, though that's at least 30 days behind schedule.
Red builds all of its cameras in the USA, even though it gets some of its parts from elsewhere. Most of its parts are US sourced, but part of how Red got the price for Komodo down so far was to go international for manufacturing. Initially it was China, but China went into shutdown while Red was working on finalizing its designs, so it shifted to Mexico based manufacturing partners.
Clermond
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1st of all it's a 47mp stills camera which is very very long awaited from professional Canon shooters.
If it's sub 4K ($ nor resolution) it will sell like crazy no matter what the video specs are.
If the video specs are great too it will take back the lost market from Sony.
Bassman2003
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As I posted on DPReview, just release it and put us out of our misery...
NorBro
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Clermond
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they where kinda horrible.
It's an old sensor with a lot of noise. They didn't manage the readout of the small pixels well. Like the first Nikon D800 these cameras needed a very much shorter shutter speed to avoid motion blur. I'm not a tech guy but I was told that was caused by the small pixel size. Camera and subject motion caused subject details to cross over pixels at a faster rate, resulting in blur and a loss of pixel-level sharpness. These cameras turned out to be studio cameras. I don't think Canon sold them well. I personally used the 5DMIV before I switched to Panasonic S1R.
ahalpert
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I'm talking about which camera is better for video shooters and responding to the rumor that the R5 may cost >$6k
Clermond
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I know. Komodo
But you put the video feature and the price in relation to feature and price of a pure video camera.
Both cameras aren't even on the market, so let's wait and see.
Imho the R5 has to compete 1st of all with Nikon Z7 / D850, Leica SL2, Sony A7R4 and Panasonic S1R.
I can't imagine that Canon will make this camera so expensive and add features that can compete
with a what ever RED. It will be for sure good enough as B-Cam for the C300iii/C500ii. my 2cts
AndreeOnline
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I think you’re right in that Canon didn’t sell that many of them, but I’m not sure “horrible” is the correct term though. Phil Holland over on Reduser, Vincent Laforet and Peter Hurly (former Hasselblad headshot photographer who switched to Canon) are very happy with theirs (I think they use the 5D sR across the board).
Regarding blur: it’s clear that in order to take advantage of very high resolution sensors, in terms of resolved detail, you’ll want as little motion blur as possible (both from camera and subject). But to say that these cameras need other shutter speeds than other cameras/sensors isn’t correct. What might come into play is the “illusion” when you zoom into the images 1:1, of having more noise or blur since you are effectively zooming in to the details of the frame more.
Imagine that you have a 1920x1080 monitor and your looking at a 2MP picture. You are already looking at it 1:1 and you’re seeing the whole image (bride with flowers and groom, knees and up). If someone stood next to you and shot the same frame with a 5D sR, when you go to 1:1 you’ll end up with tits and ass... of the groom. The poorly tucked shirt becomes obvious and there’s actually a bee in the flowers that peek into frame right.
That thing, of going 1:1 “to see the TRUE pixel quality” actually means you’re looking at very different things depending on sensor resolution.
And regardless of resolved detail, even in a more romantic shot with motion blur and shallow DOF, the higher resolution sensors benefit from having a much ‘finer’ CFA with leads to increased color precision.
But yes, at launch the sensor tech in those cameras was not breaking new ground in terms of raw sensor performance and they are a bit long in the tooth now. But I’ve thought about picking one up for studio use now that you can find them for just over $1K. But I’ll wait for the next gen like the R5.
Clermond
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did you have one of those or are you talking in theory?
I had one, I returned it. It was horrible for hand-held shooting. I shoot a lot of cars and vehicles where I pan at a low shutter speed to get the motion speed into the camera. That's impossible with the 5DR series. And you need at least two times faster shutter speed according to the old 1/(focal length) rule to determine the shutter speed for hand held shots.
It was the same with the Nikon D800 but in a later 8xx Nikon changed something and they were pretty usable.
For studio under controlled environment if you get it for 1 grand: go for it
I had one, I returned it. It was horrible for hand-held shooting. I shoot a lot of cars and vehicles where I pan at a low shutter speed to get the motion speed into the camera. That's impossible with the 5DR series. And you need at least two times faster shutter speed according to the old 1/(focal length) rule to determine the shutter speed for hand held shots.
It was the same with the Nikon D800 but in a later 8xx Nikon changed something and they were pretty usable.
For studio under controlled environment if you get it for 1 grand: go for it
Clermond
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If you read this article to the end you will find an update with 3,750 USD equivalent. I would say we do not know yet.
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indiawilds
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So you want to say that pornography videographers will buy this camera in droves? ��
NorBro
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'CR3' also known as a 'fact' for them...says less than $4,000.
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-launch-price-will-be-below-4000-usd-cr3/
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A July announcement most likely alongside [and finally] Sony's a7SIII.
If so, a very heated summer battle it shall be as all stops will be pulled.
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