Canon HV20

Elton said:
witness that a lot of dvx owners have moved on to other gear...but they still stick around. I think that's a great thing and should be encouraged. I still say 1/3" HD or SD. Nothing beyond that, except for NC.
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I'll say. I agree with the inclusion comment also. :)
 
Barry_Green said:
I know what you're saying -- I want the fest to be where we're at; if we get a big influx of HV20 users then we should definitely consider opening it up. I could see 1/3"-and-smaller, 24p cams being allowed. But there's always gonna be someone or something; if we say "$5,000 and below" then G1 owners are going to wonder why they're excluded when A1 users are included, and I could see their point. If we say "any 1/3" HD/HDV", then we'll have kids with $1,099 HV20's competing against guys with $9,000 XLH1s with optional lenses too. It's a difficult thing to balance, and I just hope the decision that's made is in the best interest of the community and the fest. It's hard to rock the boat when the boat seems to be steaming along so well! But if the community changes, the fest should change with it.
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The funny thing is I really don't think there's going to be that big of a competitive advantage between a maxed-out H1 (or JVC 250 even) all the way down to an HV20. We're talking about web and DVD frame sizes anyway. All the 1/3" 24p cameras are easily good enough. Sure, an H1 or JVC owner could use a few different lenses, but how exactly would that give them an edge? An HV20 owner could put an M2 in front of his little camera, and given enough talent, skill and effort--could easily compete, particularly in an aesthetic sense, with the output of more expensive 1/3" cams.

The bottom line is good 24p has been democratized in SD and HD at every pricepoint. It started with the dvx, but has grown into a very diverse ecosystem. I think diversity should be embraced to a reasonable degree.

I think it's worth a try for at least one competition. If there's too much whining, it can always go back to the dvx/hvx focus.
 
This debate about HV20 in a fest and Canon's being discussed on a DVX/HVX forum is interesting. LIke Elton said many DVX users have moved on but still stick around. I do for example.

I can compare this to my frustration as a golfer. One day I was playing with friends and we were playing $10 per hole. My team mate and I were tied with the other twosome after six holes making the seventh hole worth $70 for the winner.

I hit my tee shot long but with a big slice. My second shot was with a seven iron out of heavy grass. I smashed the shot and the club hung up and the ball went 20 yards into the fairway. Angry at myself I took out my putter and smacked the ball 120 yards at about six inches off the ground. I landed on the green, rolled 20 yards into the cup for a birdie and a win!.

Three of the ugliest shots ever and the putter was used like it was never intented. But when you looked at my score card it was a ligitimate birdie for the win.

If you make a competitve short using the HV20 then God Bless. If the shooter didn't confess you might not even know!.

Lets encourage professional production reagardless of the tool as long as the medium, i.e. HD/SD 24P is upheld.

S Cannon
 
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Hmm. I can see using the HV20 in tandem with the A1... say you really need something small and light and not too expensive, like strapped to the side of a car, or in some other high risk situation... why, the HV20 footage would probably cut ok with the A1! I mean, at $1000, I can see taking risks I wouldn't dare to with the A1. The other thought - I wonder how the HV20 would work with Merlin... can you throw on a 35 adapter at that point, since you can't do that with larger cameras and still have Merlin work?
 
Barry_Green said:
I know what you're saying -- I want the fest to be where we're at; if we get a big influx of HV20 users then we should definitely consider opening it up. I could see 1/3"-and-smaller, 24p cams being allowed. But there's always gonna be someone or something; if we say "$5,000 and below" then G1 owners are going to wonder why they're excluded when A1 users are included, and I could see their point. If we say "any 1/3" HD/HDV", then we'll have kids with $1,099 HV20's competing against guys with $9,000 XLH1s with optional lenses too. It's a difficult thing to balance, and I just hope the decision that's made is in the best interest of the community and the fest. It's hard to rock the boat when the boat seems to be steaming along so well! But if the community changes, the fest should change with it.
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Why not just include any camera that can do in camera 24p irregardless of format or price. We could become 24p user or something. But I am fond of the name dvxuser though. Like Elton said since it's gonna be viewed on the web it shouldn't be too hard to match quality between them all.

It's something to think about as our dear dvx begins to enter the twilight of it's life.
 
the only video output on the camera is HDMI right???

so can you connect a monitor such as -

http://www.xenarcdirect.com/product.php?productid=16134&cat=249&page=1

which has VGA and composite?????

how would you set this up?

i think you can convert the HDMI to VGA with these two adapters

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&Q=&sku=324972&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&Q=&sku=407805&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

but isn't one digital and the other analogue? there is some confusion here.

how would you connect a live on camera monitor to this camera???
 
Just make the fest 24P/25P 720*480 and we all compete on almost equal terms. Let the storystelling be the star, not the cam.
 
I almost thought it meant Focus Enhancements (as in firestore).

I think it's the enlargement. Fine focusing. Nothing really special, carried over from HV10.
 
Does anybody know enough about the way the HV20 lays its 24p to tape? Specifically, can I extract the 24p to edit natively in FCP?

Thanks,
 
I wonder if You could just put this camera in a bigger camera body somehow? something bigger and more professional. Can the touch screen lcd be removed from the camera and placed somewhere else? Add a 35mm adapter and hdmi card output and you have a super camera capable of uncompressed 1080p24 with 35mm dof for under $4000. You could use this also as a super kick azz green screen studio cam. The HDMI really changes things. I am sold. Finally I can afford this!
 
Nik Manning said:
I wonder if You could just put this camera in a bigger camera body somehow? something bigger and more professional. Can the touch screen lcd be removed from the camera and placed somewhere else? Add a 35mm adapter and hdmi card output and you have a super camera capable of uncompressed 1080p24 with 35mm dof for under $4000. You could use this also as a super kick azz green screen studio cam. The HDMI really changes things. I am sold. Finally I can afford this!
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Bondo and Fiberglass.

Seriously, it could be done if you're willing to rip the camera apart and sacrifice it for the cause.
 
Darth Bunnykins said:
Does anybody know enough about the way the HV20 lays its 24p to tape? Specifically, can I extract the 24p to edit natively in FCP?
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Not yet. It lays it down the same way the Sony V1U does. I believe Vegas can extract the pulldown, but I don't think FCP can.
 
Sorry, kid. Right now there's no option for Laptop capture via HDMI. You'd have to come up with a portable desktop solution that would incorporate the Black Magic Card.
 
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