Canon C300 MKII Announced
- Thread starter rob norton
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You talk like you know for sure this will be 15 stops. When was the last time the real dynamic range was what the manufacturer said? Oh yes, ARRI. The old C300 said 12 stops but it wasn't. The FS7 says 14 stops but it is not. I doubt this will be 15 real stops.
By the way, what movie shot with a Canon was nominated for an Oscar? A shot here and there in the movie doesn't count. I'm talking main camera. Because otherwise every camera has been nominated.
You talk like you know dynamic range. Well what are the "actual rated specs" then?
C300 is around 10 stops and FS7 just above 12 stops. If you don't believe me do your own tests or google it. Several tests out there showing this.
It amazes me people still believe manufacturer's claims. Even harder to believe when we talking about an unreleased camera.
Emanuel
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They are not prizes for cameras or motion picture technology, but filmmaking art/craft. Besides, the best ones are not even nominated, let it alone for the leftover...
Alpha Beta Omega
Veteran
On each shoot I'm asked to do some sort of slow motion be it 50fps or 150fps but this is for commercials and corporate. It's not essential for drama or features but why have a camera that can't go provide what your client need?
High1ander
Well-known member
Commercials are pretty much the videomakers bread and butter, companies spend more on commercials in a year than Hollywood top 100 blockbusters rake in over 10 years. If you look at any "medium/high end" commercial for cars, hairproducts, food, etc. you will probably see some footage being slowmotion. Now the real "high end" will probably dish out the time and money required to get phantoms and grade them to the main camera, but most of the time you will probably just settle for the main cameras slowmo if the script/director don't require faster FPS.
Personally I think slowmo is a fast and "cheap" way to add a sense of "production value" to most clients.
Tasty cheese falling on burger = slow motion
Model swiveling her head to make her glowing hair spin around = slow motion
Car driving on dirt road with lots of sand/dirt being tossed up in the air = slow motion
A shot of a golfer hitting a ball out of a bunker = slow motion
Some of those examples would probably look really weird without slow motion...
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Samuel H
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This. With a7S around a stop behind the FS7 and the pocket+RAW very close to the FS7.
And I'll be very pleasantly surprised if the C300II has better DR than the FS7. It would mean that Canon has finally solved their sensor tech issues (or bought a sensor from someone else). That would be really great, but I need proof before I believe it. I want to see a side-by-side DR test against an FS7, with a wide exposure ramp.
Also: FS7 levels of DR is exactly as much as I need. It's enough to have a subject in the shade and a sunlit background, avoiding both clipping in the sunlit highlights and too much noise in the shadows in the shade.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Sold.
Darren Levine
Veteran
Are you seriously suggesting that the c300 sensor...the most rented sensor of the last 3 years...Has issues? Has being successful become an issue?
Samuel H
Major Contributor
Their sensor issue is that the designs they used so far can't provide more than 12 stops of DR.
This is because they use off-sensor ADCs, and this limits how low noise floor can be, which in turn limits the DR they can offer. Just look at the dxomark charts: the Canon camera with the most DR is a point-and-shoot that actually uses a Sony sensor (the G7X), the next one is the 6D at 12.1 stops. If they can get above that level now, it means they have either moved to on-sensor ADCs, or improved the off-sensor ADC design (e.g. by using dual readout, with one channel getting an analogue signal amplification before leaving the sensor).
This is because they use off-sensor ADCs, and this limits how low noise floor can be, which in turn limits the DR they can offer. Just look at the dxomark charts: the Canon camera with the most DR is a point-and-shoot that actually uses a Sony sensor (the G7X), the next one is the 6D at 12.1 stops. If they can get above that level now, it means they have either moved to on-sensor ADCs, or improved the off-sensor ADC design (e.g. by using dual readout, with one channel getting an analogue signal amplification before leaving the sensor).
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Darren Levine
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Yea you didnt quite smell what I was cooking... I'll be more blunt:
Its the most rented camera... One of the if not the best selling in its market...
A camera selling vs not selling is the only true "issue" that a camera can have. regardless of what quirks/problems/limitions it has, it sells. It beats the competition. In the eyes of those demanding it and especially the eyes of canon, it has no real issues
This says 15 stops of DR.
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/techfacils/canon-unveils-4k-capable-c300-mkii/5086178.article
The camera is also the first Cinema EOS model to feature new Canon Log2 technology, which enables the 15-stops of dynamic range, which Canon said is significantly wider than previous Cinema EOS cameras.
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/techfacils/canon-unveils-4k-capable-c300-mkii/5086178.article
The camera is also the first Cinema EOS model to feature new Canon Log2 technology, which enables the 15-stops of dynamic range, which Canon said is significantly wider than previous Cinema EOS cameras.
indiawilds
Veteran
No matter what Canon does, there will be people who will continue to attack it. All the vitriol against the C300 Mark I didn't stop it from becoming a best seller. The film "Blue is the Warmest Color" was entirely shot with the original C300 and had got the Palme d'Or in the Cannes film festival. It is not just the IQ of camera but the IQ of the person behind it which matters.
Specs is not everything. When you see a beautiful woman, you can feel it. You don't go ahead and start measuring with a tape. The producers never go and check the DR of the C300 Mark I before asking for it. They just loved the files.
Canon is always conservative with specs unlike some of the Japanese companies and (one american company). The 15 stops of DR is when shooting with Canon Log2. Can you tell me which other Camera has got 15 stops of DR?
For documentaries, I still haven't been asked for shooting in 4K. For feature films, several producers had wanted 2K. So it is good that the C300 Mark II can shoot in 2K at 12 bits.
A very important thing is the sensor readout speed of the Mark II is double that of C300. That would really help in fast action.
The C300 Mark II will have all the functions working, unlike other cameras which are released before they are finished. The good thing about it is the four channel 24 bit/48kHz audio. It would be life saver in documentaries.
For me slow motion is meaningless in documentary shooting, unless I can shift-on-the-fly to higher framerates. The question people need to ask is if higher frame rate is the most important thing for them vis-a-vis other qualities.
Specs is not everything. When you see a beautiful woman, you can feel it. You don't go ahead and start measuring with a tape. The producers never go and check the DR of the C300 Mark I before asking for it. They just loved the files.
Canon is always conservative with specs unlike some of the Japanese companies and (one american company). The 15 stops of DR is when shooting with Canon Log2. Can you tell me which other Camera has got 15 stops of DR?
For documentaries, I still haven't been asked for shooting in 4K. For feature films, several producers had wanted 2K. So it is good that the C300 Mark II can shoot in 2K at 12 bits.
A very important thing is the sensor readout speed of the Mark II is double that of C300. That would really help in fast action.
The C300 Mark II will have all the functions working, unlike other cameras which are released before they are finished. The good thing about it is the four channel 24 bit/48kHz audio. It would be life saver in documentaries.
For me slow motion is meaningless in documentary shooting, unless I can shift-on-the-fly to higher framerates. The question people need to ask is if higher frame rate is the most important thing for them vis-a-vis other qualities.