YES...please...
But I wonder what video features they would have to take away in order to protect the C100 sales...
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C300: Canon at NAB2015 starts to make "headlines"
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YES...please...
But I wonder what video features they would have to take away in order to protect the C100 sales...
ReelWorksMedia
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YES...please...
But I wonder what video features they would have to take away in order to protect the C100 sales...
none. I think they should add more features. Just fix the Canon 1DC and implement a lot of new features and sell it for 10K. Fill the giant hole in that market.
Rumors - that dirty word again - had them also contemplating an improved 1D C in a 5D body for under $4,000. Chances are there are several different 5D MK IV prototypes out there (over and beyond the already announced 5Ds and 5Dr, which are available for the pre-order, btw) in the hands of the well respected testers ... from whence these rumors originate.
brettsherman
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I have to admit being really disappointed that it's fixed lens. To me that makes it a camcorder not a GH4 competitor. I have lots of great Canon glass I won't be able to use with it. Of course the devil is in the details. How good a fixed lens is it going to be? How good will high ISO performance be since it will undoubtedly be at f/5.6 at the telephoto end? How wide will it be? For fixed lenses sometimes they only get to 30-35mm (FF equiv.) at the wide end. That would be useless for Ronin.
I was hoping to use this as a B cam for my C300. But with a fixed lens I don't think it's going to have the telephoto I need in some situations, the wide angle I need in other situations, or the low-light capabilities in other situations. It might be a jack-of-all-trades, master of none camera.
I agree there is a gap they need to fill, but that will be a total different product targeting to a total different market than a ''GH4 competitor'' would. Personally (due to budget limitations) I would be more interested in a 2000$-3000$ video oriented product and I dont think Im the only one.
ectobuilder
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He said "Sony Fire Sale." The top selling SKU I would assume is the Sony A7S, so most likely Canon has come out with a killer camera at the $2500 price range.
Andrius Simutis
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Built in ND, XLR. That's a big part of the draw for the C100 over a DSLR.YES...please...
But I wonder what video features they would have to take away in order to protect the C100 sales...
Erik Naso
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Matthew Allard's comment had nothing to do with Canon. I'll leave it at that.
refocusedmedia
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Yup, he even states in replies further down the thread that he doesn't know anything about any new cameras. His fire sale has nothing to do with new cameras. Stupid rumor mill at work.
Something based on a 1" BSI sensor with a constant aperture zoom similar to RX 10's makes a lot of sense. 4K might be a center crop or downsampled - depending on the MPX count - for higher IQ. It'll be sort of, kind of like FZ1000 but perhaps a step or two up ... making it a GH4 competitors, something FZ1000 is deliberately not.
Ebrahim Saadawi
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The first apparently NAB surprise will be a one Canon EOS C700x. The camera will feature an entirely new ''extended'' sensor, it's 32mm wide and 18mm tall. The sensor is claimed by Canon to be a leader in lowlight imaging and has a 15 stops of dynamic range, all of that despite having a global shutter. It does seem quite too unrealistic and technically impossible to make such senssor but we'll see,mthe information is very solud and consistent, and this is the model many people are ''wowing'' about. The C700x will record compressed and uncompressed raw 14bit 4:4:4 colour sampling, requiring hyge file sizes, so Canon decided to creat a recording unit that slots into the body, which contains two high speed hard drives and 3 CF slots, the camera is basically internallybrecording but has the optionnto separate the unitband connect it to the camera with a thunderbolt connection. Canon says they chose the harddrives route for cost effeiciency. Canon emphasizes too much on how the camera records Metadata, one of which is having a certain motion sensor that records every movement occuring in 3D space, for post work. They go on too much about the metadata comprehensiveness. It will record slowmotiin at follwing speeds, 4xk at 60p, 2k at 120p, 720p at 150p, and SD at 600fps for special purpose use. Wether the quality of these modes takea huge hit in quality or not is still unknown. It looks like everything C300 mk Ii we wanted and even beyond what we asked for, but the naming scheme worries me as it looks like 25-30K camera. It has similar design concept to the C300, with changes, one of which is the 1080p large LCD which they claim it's easy to pull focus off, and that it's the highest quality LCD used in a Canon camera to date. In the same source there's a mention of ''accessory pack for C line cameras which makes it suitable for shoulder mounted operation. It might be all a rumor but a very convincing one to me, as it goes into very specific detail on sensor pixel putch, design, commercial name, metadata information, wifi capability for simultanous 8 devices. This might be the Alexa/Dragon aimed cameta from canon.
Ebrahim Saadawi
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Yup that pdf doesn't look right. However this is a supposedly pulled-down PR from Canon USA website after brief publish, might be fake but worth mentioning here:
"Canon U.S.A. announced today the Canon EOS Cinema C700x Professional 4K Camera System with a new CMOS Super-35 Extended-size Sensor which showcases Canon's newest ultra low-noise cinema imaging system.
With a Global Shutter that does away with line-skew and containing 1.3x larger photosites than our previous EOS C500 and EOS C300 cameras, the EOS C700x camera now offers premier quality cinema imaging with up to 15 stops of latitude for the highest dynamic range and superior color reproduction even in very low-light situations. True color 4k RAW 4:4:4 YCrCb and RGB at 14-bit color depth is the new baseline of quality for Canon's EOS Cinema series of cameras.
Leaping forward in cinema production technology we are also introducing the numerous additions and improvements to base user functionality and the latest in high-resolution and high frame rate video recording and web-streaming options. Hot-Swappable Compact Flash Card and Hard Disk Recording Cartridges Canon introduces the CTF-701 and the CTH-702 ThunderBolt video cartridge system which allows EOS C700x users to record multi-format video onto three internal compact flash cards or three 2.5" hard disks at multi-terabyte capacities. These cartridges are inserted into the EOS C700x camera body to allow sequential recording onto three drives, recording of three copies of the same program for maximum data safety and backup capability, or record one video stream into three different container formats, frame sizes and frame rates for maximum production flexibility. These ThunderBolt-connected cartridges can be quickly hot-swapped so that recording is not interrupted. With an aggregate data rate of up to 20 Gbps, the fastest data recording speeds are supported at the highest levels of video and audio quality.
Containing three removable 128GB, 256GB or 512GB high-speed Compact Flash Cards (CTF-701) or three removable 1TB, 2TB or 3TB 2.5" 15mm hard disks (CTH-702), a large number of recording options is now available for balancing media cost, recording times and connectivity during your production and post-production phases. Multi-format Recording and Live Streaming. The EOS C700x camera now has multi-format recording capability with recording full resolution 4096 x 2160p 60fps video to MOV, AVI and MPEG4/MPEG2 container file formats using full 4:4:4 color sampling. We also include 2048 x 1920p, 1080p, 720p and other more web-centric recording formats at multiple frame rates for maximum post-production and web streaming flexibility. Higher frames including 2048 x 1080p and 1920 x 1080p @ 120 fps, ultra slow-motion 1280 x 720p and 1024 x 768p @ 150 fps, 960 x 540p @ 240 fps, 640 x 480p @ 300 fps and even 512 x 512p at 600 fps is now supported.
In addition, live streaming of full size and full frame rate CLEAN video through the HDMI, 3G-SDI and DisplayPort connectors allows for ultimate flexibility in external recording options and video monitoring capabilities. We have extended the ability to stream, monitor and record during live productions using the built-in 801.11ac Wireless EOS Webserver to allow up to 8 users or devices to each receive a combined Video/Audio/Metadata stream of up to 100 Mbps. A built-in RJ45-Cat-6 Gigabit Ethernet connector and 20 Gbps ThunderBolt connector extends that functionality to high-speed wired networks, attached network storage and external digital video recording peripherals. Critical Focus Video Monitor The newest Canon EOS C700x monitoring unit now has one of the clearest and sharpest high resolution color OLED video displays today. At 1920 x 1080 this display is ideal for your critical focusing needs during live multi-camera and single-camera cinema productions. Attached to the EOS C700x carrying handle, the bright, high-dynamic range OLED video display provides a superior color rendition that makes the EOS C700x a joy to use during fixed-base and hand-held operation.
New Metadata Extensions Canon introduces the OPEN FORMAT EOS XML METADA SPECIFICATION 1.0 which allows all newer Canon Cinema series, professional broadcast series and DSLR cameras to send and receive critical Metadata via built-in data ports and embedded within the AVI, MOV and MPEG4/MPEG2 container file formats. Production-specific metadata such as camera type, production and personnel information, system setup and more, is recorded at the beginning of each press of the record button while clock time, time code, elapsed time, GPS location data, 3D-XYZ orientation, 3D depth map data and custom user data is recorded for EVERY FRAME within a separate metadata track that can be extracted and saved into various spreadhseet, delimited text, XML and database formats for post-production and on-set production needs. The metadata is also streamed out LIVE through the USB 3.0 port and via the metadata extensions outlined within the latest HDMI and DisplayPort specifications.
The onboard 3D-XYZ MEMS Orientation Sensor and onboard GPS Location Sensor ensure that production and post-production personnel know when, where and how the camera was positioned within 3D space. With the addition of the RFID tag sensor, Up to 128 talent and on-set objects can queried wirelessly up to 200 metres away to find out their GPS position, 3D orientation and dates/times on your production sets. That production metadata is also saved into the output container files and also streamed live out the camera's HDMI, DisplayPort, RJ45 and USB 3.0 data ports. Four-Channel Audio at 24-Bit, 192 Khz Sampling Canon has upped the audio quality level in the new EOS C700x via the four onboard balanced XLR connectors that have their line-or-mic level signals digitized at up to 24-bits at 192 kHz using custom Digital Signal Processors and premium Analog-to-Digital converters. This premium audio quality makes the EOS C700x ready and able for work on the largest of productions. NAB 2015 Further Announcements Canon will announce further product availability and specifications, estimated delivery schedules and the start of the EOS C700x Pre-ordering Program at the Canon booth during the 2015 NAB Show from April 13 to 16 in Las Vegas"
Btw, Matt Allard is selling his Sony gear based on just dissatisfaction (he's kind of in a fight with Sony USA for an unstated reason but clearly big enough for him to sell his F55, F35, and F3 all at once and leave off the company, perhaps we'lll know the reason soon enough, but anyhow he stated he knows nothing about what's coming from Canon.
"Canon U.S.A. announced today the Canon EOS Cinema C700x Professional 4K Camera System with a new CMOS Super-35 Extended-size Sensor which showcases Canon's newest ultra low-noise cinema imaging system.
With a Global Shutter that does away with line-skew and containing 1.3x larger photosites than our previous EOS C500 and EOS C300 cameras, the EOS C700x camera now offers premier quality cinema imaging with up to 15 stops of latitude for the highest dynamic range and superior color reproduction even in very low-light situations. True color 4k RAW 4:4:4 YCrCb and RGB at 14-bit color depth is the new baseline of quality for Canon's EOS Cinema series of cameras.
Leaping forward in cinema production technology we are also introducing the numerous additions and improvements to base user functionality and the latest in high-resolution and high frame rate video recording and web-streaming options. Hot-Swappable Compact Flash Card and Hard Disk Recording Cartridges Canon introduces the CTF-701 and the CTH-702 ThunderBolt video cartridge system which allows EOS C700x users to record multi-format video onto three internal compact flash cards or three 2.5" hard disks at multi-terabyte capacities. These cartridges are inserted into the EOS C700x camera body to allow sequential recording onto three drives, recording of three copies of the same program for maximum data safety and backup capability, or record one video stream into three different container formats, frame sizes and frame rates for maximum production flexibility. These ThunderBolt-connected cartridges can be quickly hot-swapped so that recording is not interrupted. With an aggregate data rate of up to 20 Gbps, the fastest data recording speeds are supported at the highest levels of video and audio quality.
Containing three removable 128GB, 256GB or 512GB high-speed Compact Flash Cards (CTF-701) or three removable 1TB, 2TB or 3TB 2.5" 15mm hard disks (CTH-702), a large number of recording options is now available for balancing media cost, recording times and connectivity during your production and post-production phases. Multi-format Recording and Live Streaming. The EOS C700x camera now has multi-format recording capability with recording full resolution 4096 x 2160p 60fps video to MOV, AVI and MPEG4/MPEG2 container file formats using full 4:4:4 color sampling. We also include 2048 x 1920p, 1080p, 720p and other more web-centric recording formats at multiple frame rates for maximum post-production and web streaming flexibility. Higher frames including 2048 x 1080p and 1920 x 1080p @ 120 fps, ultra slow-motion 1280 x 720p and 1024 x 768p @ 150 fps, 960 x 540p @ 240 fps, 640 x 480p @ 300 fps and even 512 x 512p at 600 fps is now supported.
In addition, live streaming of full size and full frame rate CLEAN video through the HDMI, 3G-SDI and DisplayPort connectors allows for ultimate flexibility in external recording options and video monitoring capabilities. We have extended the ability to stream, monitor and record during live productions using the built-in 801.11ac Wireless EOS Webserver to allow up to 8 users or devices to each receive a combined Video/Audio/Metadata stream of up to 100 Mbps. A built-in RJ45-Cat-6 Gigabit Ethernet connector and 20 Gbps ThunderBolt connector extends that functionality to high-speed wired networks, attached network storage and external digital video recording peripherals. Critical Focus Video Monitor The newest Canon EOS C700x monitoring unit now has one of the clearest and sharpest high resolution color OLED video displays today. At 1920 x 1080 this display is ideal for your critical focusing needs during live multi-camera and single-camera cinema productions. Attached to the EOS C700x carrying handle, the bright, high-dynamic range OLED video display provides a superior color rendition that makes the EOS C700x a joy to use during fixed-base and hand-held operation.
New Metadata Extensions Canon introduces the OPEN FORMAT EOS XML METADA SPECIFICATION 1.0 which allows all newer Canon Cinema series, professional broadcast series and DSLR cameras to send and receive critical Metadata via built-in data ports and embedded within the AVI, MOV and MPEG4/MPEG2 container file formats. Production-specific metadata such as camera type, production and personnel information, system setup and more, is recorded at the beginning of each press of the record button while clock time, time code, elapsed time, GPS location data, 3D-XYZ orientation, 3D depth map data and custom user data is recorded for EVERY FRAME within a separate metadata track that can be extracted and saved into various spreadhseet, delimited text, XML and database formats for post-production and on-set production needs. The metadata is also streamed out LIVE through the USB 3.0 port and via the metadata extensions outlined within the latest HDMI and DisplayPort specifications.
The onboard 3D-XYZ MEMS Orientation Sensor and onboard GPS Location Sensor ensure that production and post-production personnel know when, where and how the camera was positioned within 3D space. With the addition of the RFID tag sensor, Up to 128 talent and on-set objects can queried wirelessly up to 200 metres away to find out their GPS position, 3D orientation and dates/times on your production sets. That production metadata is also saved into the output container files and also streamed live out the camera's HDMI, DisplayPort, RJ45 and USB 3.0 data ports. Four-Channel Audio at 24-Bit, 192 Khz Sampling Canon has upped the audio quality level in the new EOS C700x via the four onboard balanced XLR connectors that have their line-or-mic level signals digitized at up to 24-bits at 192 kHz using custom Digital Signal Processors and premium Analog-to-Digital converters. This premium audio quality makes the EOS C700x ready and able for work on the largest of productions. NAB 2015 Further Announcements Canon will announce further product availability and specifications, estimated delivery schedules and the start of the EOS C700x Pre-ordering Program at the Canon booth during the 2015 NAB Show from April 13 to 16 in Las Vegas"
Btw, Matt Allard is selling his Sony gear based on just dissatisfaction (he's kind of in a fight with Sony USA for an unstated reason but clearly big enough for him to sell his F55, F35, and F3 all at once and leave off the company, perhaps we'lll know the reason soon enough, but anyhow he stated he knows nothing about what's coming from Canon.
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Ebrahim Saadawi
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By the way the two released photos look consistent with the PR, a minor c500 facelift but the bottom compartment is extended (giving a space for the Slot-in SSD recording unit in the PR. Also notice the minor button changes vs the C500. It looks real to me.
Ebrahim Saadawi
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Maybe the logo is changed for the reason written below (Now True Colour), maybe a fake, but if it is, they did go in a lot of work.
ReelWorksMedia
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I heard the C700 would have all these specs and sell for $150 and also come with a really nice coffee maker.