1DC: Canon 1DC woes

Omar N said:
The small foot print is not so small anymore once you add external monitors and such ;) Thats great you are able to get images you love with it. Would love to see the TV commercial if you can share it!
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Sorry Omar... the company has not released it yet, so we'll have to wait.

Best Regards,

Chris
 
1DC was, and is still, one of my favorite cameras (ignoring the price).

I only get rid of it, because of 8bit, actually. I got tired of the micro banding, when grading footage. Would agree, that an articulating screen or built in eve, would be amazing on a camera like this, but have to admit that they generally at risk of breaking. They should be able to include both a traditional SLR optical prism view finder, and an EVF (mounted to the side of the prism). That would keep the body solid and pro.
 
James0b57 said:
1DC was, and is still, one of my favorite cameras (ignoring the price).

I only get rid of it, because of 8bit, actually. I got tired of the micro banding, when grading footage. Would agree, that an articulating screen or built in eve, would be amazing on a camera like this, but have to admit that they generally at risk of breaking. They should be able to include both a traditional SLR optical prism view finder, and an EVF (mounted to the side of the prism). That would keep the body solid and pro.
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They really should do an OVF/EVF combo like on the Fuji X100/X-Pro, if they can. That'd be a brilliant feature.
 
4k is a pretty nice deal for the 1Dc! IMHO, it is the ultimate swiss army knife. I payed 12k for mine and have been very happy and still am today! C500 has a lot more room for CC, but when you get it right with the 1Dc it's magical! I really like the 1.3 crop and the shallow depth of field when you get very close to the subject.

Best Regards,

Chris
 
Pricing change on cameras, gimbals and LED lighting has just been on a stupendous decline over the last 3-4 years. Furthermore, the sweet spot of a model that allows one to take feature film quality images has gone down from tens of thousands to $2K and under. It's not that Alexa or F65 is obsolete, it's that that level of investment is no longer a necessity. Panasonic may claim that GH5 is a consumer camera but images that it can take, as well as its spec sheet, are basically good enough for any presentation.

Edit : I meant to say pricing levels and/or price-to-quality ratio have been on a stupendous decline. But you all knew what I meant, right?
 
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Thats nice to see the price drop to $3999. Still too expensive. Should retail for $1500 new in today's market IMO :happy:
 
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Omar N said:
Should retail for $1500 new in today's market IMO :happy:
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Says every prospective buyer! =)

But it actually shouldn't. The new 1Dx mkII sits at $6k. The old 1Dx sits at $5200 but comes down to $4495 after instant savings.

It took some long and hard consideration before I traded the new AF functionality of the Dx mkII for the brand and Canon Log of my 1Dc. I think the 1Dc should sit at $5995 with instant savings down to maybe $5295. That's where it belongs in Canon's lineup.

It's not a toy camera or something you hold between your fingertips. It's a proper camera, both for stills and video. People selling theirs for below $3k is making a serious mistake in my opinion.
 
Ha, or in this case, former owner ;)

Well I must say I strongly disagree with that, but I know that you have been an owner/operator for several years and I have lots of respect for your opinion. With all the pitfalls mentioned in the original post, plus the current tech in today's market, I feel like $5K can go a lot farther. But hey, as I've always said, if you're making great images and love using it, then more power to you.

Adorama sells them used for less than $3K quite frequently if you are looking to pick up a second body :)
 
I totally know what you mean Omar. That's why I tried to sneak in "....where it belongs in Canon's lineup".

Today's market is saturated with solutions catering to almost any need. In my mind you can't for instance compare something like a GH5 to the 1Dc. They are totally different cameras, built for different needs.

But there will always be people who are looking strictly at the generated pixels for one or two given scenarios, and they might be able to work around some ergonomical stuff that is more important to others.

In my experience, pricing doesn't necessarily reflect a products position in the market based on a few bullet points compared to all products, but is rather 'brand internal'. Anyway... it's all good!

I wasn't aware you could buy it from Adorama at that price (albeit used). Seems to me to be a good deal. By that's an opinion from someone who appreciates a full body DSLR, of course.

Happy shooting!
 
AndreeOnline said:
... Today's market is saturated with solutions catering to almost any need. In my mind you can't for instance compare something like a GH5 to the 1Dc. They are totally different cameras, built for different needs.
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Just for curiosity - what do you think GH-5 will lack visavis 1D C (including the additional accessory options, from external recorders to lens adapters)?
 
I think $1500 is too low and $6000 is too high...$3000-$3500 would work well in 2017 IMO.
 
DLD said:
Just for curiosity - what do you think GH-5 will lack visavis 1D C (including the additional accessory options, from external recorders to lens adapters)?
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Going from a 5D body to the full 1D body was a huge upgrade for me. I think the GH5 will lack a proper 'grip' and won't sit in my hand properly. And I have normal hands, not big or anything. I need my fingers to fall on the essential controls of the camera. But since I haven't held a GH-5 I'll have to reserve my judgement. But my feeling is that it wouldn't be the correct fit for me.

The camera is a tool first. Even if I would need a very technical screw driver with the smallest possible tip, I'd still expect the handle to be just the same size as a large screw driver—the size of my hands don't change, right?

Once you add stuff to the camera, nothing matters anymore. You'll end up with what I call a 'production configuration'. If you mostly shoot in this mode, you can check lots of bullet points for 'cheap'. This is where you find all the smaller cameras hooked up to FrankenRigs: smaller Canon bodies, Sony 6500, Lumix GH line and so on. That's fine if it works, but I'm looking pretty much strictly at what you get with just the camera in your hands. I reluctantly add a microphone to my 1D bodies because it's needed, but it doesn't change the portability or handholdability of the camera since it just sits on top.

I do of course use my camera in 'production mode', but in this mode I'm not likely under time pressure and I don't need to move around much. How a camera works in this mode doesn't influence me much. Anecdotally, this is how RED gets away with so much: they have just crammed all the components into a box, basically. That has to be a lot cheaper than the refined body designs from other manufacturers...

I wouldn't like stepping down in sensor size and my lens collection is EF-mount based. I used a Metabones adapter when shooting with the FS700 years ago, but didn't like it. Every now and then there was miscommunication. I always say "you don't buy a camera, you buy into a camera system". That's been true for me and I've been happy so far since that first 20D. Naturally, I'd like to see many changes and I have requests, but that's another topic....

I can't imagine that the GH-5 will come even close to a 1Dc/x in terms of stills performance—taking sensor size, AF configuration options and frame rates into account. I haven't used one though, but that's my feeling.

I don't know what the shutter lag is on the Lumix? Are they good? Viewfinder?

Finally, I do expect the video files from the GH-5 to be excellent. Are they artefact free? I consider the video files from 1Dc and 1Dx mkII to be largely free from disturbing artefacts like from compression or Long GOP.

The EBU approval of the 1Dc wasn't handed out on a whim. Many cameras that looked solid on paper didn't meet the same standard.

Now, this is a shortish reply that I didn't really think through. The GH 5 isn't on my radar, and I have no interest in it. Don't mistake this for me dissing it for other users. Some will look at my reasoning and go 'holy shite' because my needs might be very different from theirs. But that is exactly how things are. This should be kept firmly in mind before generalising too much while trying to tell other users "where things are at".
 
I am not sure if people tried GH-5 yet for stills due to it being such a videocentric camera, but it has a 20 MPX sensor vs. 18.1 on 1D C. Its low light performance seems to be acceptable, especially with noise reduction (which evens out a lot of cameras up to a point). It will have 4:2:2 10-bit internal recording and V-log (not included in the $2,000 price). And it will have 2160 60p and five axis stabilization. Autofocus tests are mostly positive, especially via a touch-screen. Plus, there's an expected upgrade to a faster bit rate recording down the road.

Now, obviously M43 is a much smaller sensor but the early images look real good. I agree about buying into a system but Canon has not entered that portion of the market and the EF glass will work via all sorts of adapters.

My take is that a lot of people might look down at GH5 because it is not a "pro camera" per se but, if one can get pro camera quality images with it, then there's less and less need to invest into the higher end bodies. When GH4 came out in 2014, Luke Neumann said that he was going to sell his Red and go with several GH-4's. GH-5 ought to make a lot of people to follow Luke's example.
 
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