FS7: C300 MkII makes the FS7 look like good value

The autofocus will be a great drawing card for the Canon and is one area where Sony had a better system in the FS700 and didn't bother to transport it to the FS7.
 
Lenilenapi said:
The autofocus will be a great drawing card for the Canon and is one area where Sony had a better system in the FS700 and didn't bother to transport it to the FS7.
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Wow, I thought I was the only one that was wondering about that. Not sure how or why,
but the FS100 didn't have it, the FS700 got it, and then they took it out for the FS7.
Kind of strange.
 
I moved over to the FS7 from C100/300 principally for ergonomic and EVF/long-sightedness reasons - I didn't want to spend £1500+ on an EVF with a diopter, only to then invest shortly down the line in a new camera.

On the whole, the FS7 works well for me in those departments. I shot for several weeks with the vanilla setup and I've since added the Chrosziel shoulder mount and rod support because the shoulder pad goes furthest back of all the plates I looked at. It works well as a support for my Genus mattebox and it also drops straight into my VCT-14 tripod adapter. As an old fart, I grew up with VCT-14s on 1", BVU and Beta SP cameras and they just work for me.

I do miss Canon's "WDR" baked-in profile. It was good enough for offlining/client viewing and then easy to add some zing to in the grade afterwards.

While I like the whole Cine EI (I call it RAW-lite) concept, my gut feeling is that the post workflow isn't yet properly wrinkled out with the main NLE players. When I can eventually open a clip in an NLE and it "snaps" into a LUT (like a RAW still does in Aperture) and I can then adjust it as a standard clip adjustment, without adding LUTs and additional colour correction/sharpening filters, I feel everyone will have grasped it and be on the same page.

And I do look forward to a time with the FS7 when I don't have to think, "hold on, did that get bug get fixed in version X.X or do I still need to work around it..?"

On the whole, I think/hope I've invested in a feature set that will grow and mature and that I can further invest in when I need the additional features.

Ben.
 
Must say, the C300mkII is almost exactly what I expected it to be. A great camera with odd ergo's.

Internal flares on e-mount adapters are a PITA as is the shutter bug. Apart from those I see no reason to go back to Canon. I'm looking forward to all the auto-shoot Canon ops struggling with their new Log2 workflows...
 
Actually, FS7 makes FS7 a good value. FS7 also made C300 MK I a good value ... at $6,500.

But this doesn't mean C300 MK II won't be a huge hit.
 
Liam Hall said:
I'm looking forward to all the auto-shoot Canon ops struggling with their new Log2 workflows...
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This is something I've been wondering about also. Part of what made Clog a success is that it was barely log and easy to bring back with minimal effort. Wrangling ultra flat 15stop DR log back into Rec709 will be a new experience for many Canon users.

DLD said:
But this doesn't mean C300 MK II won't be a huge hit.
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No one is doubting the C300II will be a big hit for Canon just as every iphone will sell well no matter what price/specs. The question is will it dominate as much now there there is competition in the market that wasn't there for the C300I.
 
FrameFarmMedia said:
... No one is doubting the C300II will be a big hit for Canon just as every iphone will sell well no matter what price/specs. The question is will it dominate as much now there there is competition in the market that wasn't there for the C300I.
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This is a decent facsimile for the product popularity.

On the Canon's list, this is already on the first page, despite being out for a couple of days only and promised by no sooner than September.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Brand_Canon&ci=16763&N=4256818817+4291570227

On the generic "pro camcorder" list, it's on the second page at #25 - (FS7 is 8th)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Brand_Canon&ci=16763&N=4256818817+4291570227


Now, I expect a lot more corporate sales for C300 MK II than for FS7 but the above lists are decent enough proxies. Just watch the King of the Charts GH4.
 
You Sony fanboys are nuts, the Canon is a breeze to rig up for professional shooting environments.

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Lenilenapi said:
The autofocus will be a great drawing card for the Canon
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Could it be said that the C300 is aimed more at shooters who use auto-focus? And, while the Canon design acknowledges a reality, that isn't necessarily a compliment to those users.

Canon's professional camera history in the modern era is auto-focusing cameras for shooters who use auto-focus. ( most still photogs live on auto-focus. )

Sony's professional camera history is cameras that focus manually, made for shooters who focus manually.

Having used both the C300 and the Fs7 extensively now, my takeaway is that the C300 was designed by people who shoot still photography while the Fs7 was designed by people who shoot video. There are facets of the C300 that are frankly just asinine. When using the C300 I would find myself wondering "who, in their right mind, would design something that way?!?". I don't find myself wondering that with the Fs7. Everything is pretty much as I would have designed it and my impression is that it was designed by someone with personal, real-world experience shooting video.

I fully confess to being a Sony snob having spent many a year on the Sony line of "broadcast" cameras. Sony's broadcast video camera heritage is evident in the design of the Fs7. The design of the C300 indicates that Canon is still trying to figure out the video camera thing that Sony mastered long ago. Not only has Canon yet to figure it out, there seems to be a resistance on the part of Canon to figuring it out.
 
JPNola said:
There are facets of the C300 that are frankly just asinine. When using the C300 I would find myself wondering "who, in their right mind, would design something that way?!?". I don't find myself wondering that with the Fs7. Everything is pretty much as I would have designed it and my impression is that it was designed by someone with personal, real-world experience shooting video.

I fully confess to being a Sony snob having spent many a year on the Sony line of "broadcast" cameras. Sony's broadcast video camera heritage is evident in the design of the Fs7. The design of the C300 indicates that Canon is still trying to figure out the video camera thing that Sony mastered long ago. Not only has Canon yet to figure it out, there seems to be a resistance on the part of Canon to figuring it out.
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Then why do we hear so many complaints about the Sony menu system?
I like that Canon didn't just make a square box, but something that when stripped down is quite useable handheld. On the shoulder, if you need to do that, it does require rigging but even the FS7 does to some degree. They're both really good cameras but neither the FS7 or C300 are perfect for every use. That doesn't make either of them instantly "crap".
 
I don't now why people are always so dismissive about autofocus. Canons Dual Pixel AF implementation is very effective and can be used for certain shots that would be impossible without it. I don't understand why sony took a step back with the fs7 giving it reduced AF capabilities compared to the fs700 or the a7s that has continuous AF and face tracking.
 
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