BlackMagic - URSA Mini
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Dafilman21
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PS. And, yes, A7RII competes against URA Mini and FS7 competes against URSA Mini. They just do it off different ends, sort of like Z370 competes against the Cayman on the lower end while GTR does on the higher.[/QUOTE]
Eh maybe the base model mini is only 3K but of course to get it up and running costs a lot more
Eh maybe the base model mini is only 3K but of course to get it up and running costs a lot more
Figure about $8000 (we did) for a conservative but optimally configured Umini 4.6...depending on if you have power already
$5k for the camera, $1500 for the BMEVF, $500 for the shoulder plate setup, $1k minimum for memory/V-mount power.
Based on the feedback we've got from a couple of the people who have used the camera and peripherals...people who are very familiar with BM cameras - this will more of a camera than the FS7 and way beyond an A7RII.
The fact that they consider the look as a considerable step above the best BM image currently, in this kind of package, it looks like it will be more of a league of it's own kind of creative tool.
$5k for the camera, $1500 for the BMEVF, $500 for the shoulder plate setup, $1k minimum for memory/V-mount power.
Based on the feedback we've got from a couple of the people who have used the camera and peripherals...people who are very familiar with BM cameras - this will more of a camera than the FS7 and way beyond an A7RII.
The fact that they consider the look as a considerable step above the best BM image currently, in this kind of package, it looks like it will be more of a league of it's own kind of creative tool.
derbrocks09
Well-known member
When is this dang thing gonna be released? Have they given us any clues?
Jim Martin
DVXuser Sponsor
"this will more of a camera than the FS7"
?.....I have trouble going with that statement.....until we see the production version and can confirm or deny there is no "Black Sun" or "Purple Sun" or other issues, it's hard to say it's more of a camera than the FS7....and don't get me wrong, I'm hoping there is no issues and this camera will be a success.....
Jim Martin
EVSonline.com
?.....I have trouble going with that statement.....until we see the production version and can confirm or deny there is no "Black Sun" or "Purple Sun" or other issues, it's hard to say it's more of a camera than the FS7....and don't get me wrong, I'm hoping there is no issues and this camera will be a success.....
Jim Martin
EVSonline.com
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Lol.
They have already stated that the black sun issue has been fixed.
And others need to ease up complaining on a forum that BM likely doesn't even look at. You all made your point that you are frustrated. You still didn't answer my question of how this affects your life and creates a major problem for you? I'm not sticking up for BM but stating facts that a camera delayed by a few months is not the end of the world. People are still going out and buying other cameras and the production world lives on. This is only an issue in your mind." Originally posted by Pulpfiction007"
If people have the right to complain on here then I have the right to point out that complaining is kind of silly.
Why does something have to affect someone's life in some serious way for them to chime in. This is a camera/video/film forum....people talk about cameras. That includes good/bad/positive/negative. No one ever said delays were a life altering event, but if a camera company(which is what often gets discussed here) does negative things, expect negative feedback. Pretty simple.
Well put! Pulpfiction007
ReelFilmGeek
Well-known member
Isn't the ursa like half the price of the FS7 though? And even if we do these issues wont they be fixed? (though who knows how long it will take) I havent kept much up to date on any of the black magic cameras because the URSA is the only one that interests me (ergonomics) and its a bit out of my budget but still its like half the price of the fs7 if I am correct?
Robert Ruffo New
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BM cameras have no OLPF. This causes skin texture problems, as the equivalent of crude, heavy handed sharpening is baked into every single frame. Not really professional, as not many pros want to make their talent's skin look worse than it is. You can get a 3rd party OLPF, but this makes your bokeh all smeary like an old 35mm adapter.
A7RII has an oversampled 4K, much like F65, albeit with fewer "over" pixels. FS-7 doesn't, making, at the very worst, the situation where A7RII beats FS7 on resolution and, off what I have seen, it may be superior in color science as well. FS7 has superior codec/bitrate but one can run HDMI out to an external recorder (which are coming down in price as well) and record in ProRes. Plus, the auto focus on A7RII (with native E-mount AF lenses) is far superior as well.
"?.....I have trouble going with that statement.....until we see the production version and can confirm or deny there is no "Black Sun" or "Purple Sun" or other issues, it's hard to say it's more of a camera than the FS7....and don't get me wrong, I'm hoping there is no issues and this camera will be a success....."
Do you sell them Jim?
Do you sell them Jim?
Dafilman21
Carbonite Member
HUH? BMD gets a lot of stuff wrong but there skin tones/ textures is not one of them.
Yeah I had to laugh when I read this (imo wrong) opinion presented as an obvious fact. Clearly no professional would choose the BMCC as an A camera, right?
Dafilman21
Carbonite Member
I mean if you want to knock the moire I get it, BUT THE SKIN TONES? That is largely be lauded as some of the best south of Alexa?
Dafilman21
Carbonite Member
I addressed the skin tone/texture in that first post but I don't agree with what he said about the texture but that is a matter of taste. But to say professionals wouldn't use them is flat out wrong.
Right, and the hyperbolic way the opinion was presented, if someone had never heard of these cameras and just read that, they'd think they looked awful (and that no real pro would deign to use one).
Ive heard more than a few cinematographers say they soften Alexa footage in post or use diffusion not just to bloom highlights but because the footage is too sharp. The BMCC is similar in that way.