Black Magic PocketHD and 4K production camera

Emanuel said:
This obsession with the fear of rolling shutter for 2D production is simply annoying... : ) I wonder myself what will come next when there will have no more reasons to complain or concern about :P
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Depends on what you are shooting. Following fast action, lots of dynamic camera movement, or mounted on vehicles without vibration absorption or stabilizers it can be an issue. Digital rolling shutter is very different than film rolling shutter, since it is a line by line scanning phenomenon.
 
Emanuel said:
This obsession with the fear of rolling shutter for 2D production is simply annoying... : ) I wonder myself what will come next when there will have no more reasons to complain or concern about :P
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I realize that's it's not important to everyone, but I do shoestring budget VFX, and would like to be able to do more action oriented shots. Slow rolling-shutter is an obstacle there.
 
Wesley Byram said:
I realize that's it's not important to everyone, but I do shoestring budget VFX, and would like to be able to do more action oriented shots. Slow rolling-shutter is an obstacle there.
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Understand….you have to use the right tool for the job….
Now I know you probably get people saying - but the budget…
If they went to the time trouble and expense to set up a shot that they know
will be an element for VFX later (and probably more expensive than the shoot)
then why would they use a camera that is not right for the job?
I know, I know - the budget - the budget….

I have seen clients spend thousands to correct footage that would would not
have even needed correction if they shot it right in the first place.

I know, I know - the budget! The budget!!!
Now where did my iPhone go??
 
Razz16mm said:
Depends on what you are shooting. Following fast action, lots of dynamic camera movement, or mounted on vehicles without vibration absorption or stabilizers it can be an issue. Digital rolling shutter is very different than film rolling shutter, since it is a line by line scanning phenomenon.
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Well, in that case the BMCC pocket cam is probably not the right tool….or a Go Pro or 5D for that matter….
I just received footage from a client shot in vertical mode with an iPhone…they want to know if I can make it "fit the screen" in horizontal mode….
 
Michael Schrengohst said:
Well, in that case the BMCC pocket cam is probably not the right tool….or a Go Pro or 5D for that matter….
I just received footage from a client shot in vertical mode with an iPhone…they want to know if I can make it "fit the screen" in horizontal mode….
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Sure...rotate it sideways and send it back...see, it fits perfectly...
 
Okey, back to IQ discussion: looks nice, maybe a bit soft. I'd say this resolves around 800 lines. What do you think? Saw no apparent moire or aliasing. I to was worried about jello, but it seems that the sensor has an adequate readout time. Nice.
 
KINOKS said:
Okey, back to IQ discussion: looks nice, maybe a bit soft. I'd say this resolves around 800 lines. What do you think? Saw no apparent moire or aliasing. I to was worried about jello, but it seems that the sensor has an adequate readout time. Nice.
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I think the vimeo compression did a number on the footage, and it still looks pretty a-okay.

There is moire and aliasing, though, just less than I would get with my BV1(s).
 
Michael Schrengohst said:
Understand….you have to use the right tool for the job….
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100% agree.

That's part of why we love nitpicking sample footage to death; pixel-peeping, pointing out the little flaws, seeing what looks good and what doesn't, analysing the strengths and weaknesses...it helps us decide what the right tool for a given job is going to be.
 
Wesley Byram said:
That's part of why we love nitpicking sample footage to death; pixel-peeping, pointing out the little flaws, seeing what looks good and what doesn't, analysing the strengths and weaknesses...
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And I think, it's save to say, that this here forum does some of the toughest examinations on ANY material thrown at it.

Survive DVXUser, than you survive anything. :laugh:
 
Lol, well at least here there are cooler heads to go with the impossible to please pixel peepers. A video from Panasonic showing G6 footage is getting ripped to pieces on some other sites.....
I'm not a member on those sites, but I want to sign up just to say "Calm down, It's a manufacturer video...they are usually uploaded with huge compression, it'll be okay.... breathe."
 
pulpfiction007 said:
Lol, well at least here there are cooler heads to go with the impossible to please pixel peepers. A video from Panasonic showing G6 footage is getting ripped to pieces on some other sites.....
I'm not a member on those sites, but I want to sign up just to say "Calm down, It's a manufacturer video...they are usually uploaded with huge compression, it'll be okay.... breathe."
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Did you follow it up with "if you plan on shooting any kind of serious video with a G6 you should be slapped?"
 
The Sarlacc said:
Did you follow it up with "if you plan on shooting any kind of serious video with a G6 you should be slapped?"
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Ha ha, no...I think the G6 will be every bit as good as a GH2, maybe even better. For narratives the GH series have been quite successful on serious projects. If anyone hasn't seen: the G6 has 1080 60P, 24P, 30P, focus peaking, full manual control, new high res LCD, great evf, new proceesor from the GH3 etc.........much improved over the G5 for video.

http://vimeo.com/gamiorbegoso/httpwwwfacebookcompagesmusgo229913677100591

http://vimeo.com/9796533

http://vimeo.com/57994627
 
Kholi said:
I think the vimeo compression did a number on the footage, and it still looks pretty a-okay.

There is moire and aliasing, though, just less than I would get with my BV1(s).
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Yes, but it's not really apparent, it's not bad.

Yes, the compression isn't good. The images look quite soft.
 
KINOKS said:
Yes, but it's not really apparent, it's not bad.

Yes, the compression isn't good. The images look quite soft.
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Did we watch the same clip? The images weren't soft. I think some of people just never really worked with film and are so used to broadcast video and HD lenses that your eyes can't accept anything that isn't razor HD sharp (hey, did any notice how big the pores are on that actress in her close up???)

This footage had a filmic look to it. But not soft.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Did we watch the same clip? The images weren't soft. I think some of people just never really worked with film and are so used to broadcast video and HD lenses that your eyes can't accept anything that isn't razor HD sharp (hey, did any notice how big the pores are on that actress in her close up???)


This footage had a filmic look to it. But not soft.
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Our team likes the BMPCC look better than BMCC. Of course with great PL lenses that handle color in ways appropiate for the S16 look. It would fit our next project better than the hyper real look that you NEED so that CGI layers fit the scene. There is a reason that films like Black Swan and The Hurt Locker choose to film on Super 16. It can increase emotional impact.
 
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pulpfiction007 said:
Ha ha, no...I think the G6 will be every bit as good as a GH2, maybe even better. For narratives the GH series have been quite successful on serious projects. If anyone hasn't seen: the G6 has 1080 60P, 24P, 30P, focus peaking, full manual control, new high res LCD, great evf, new proceesor from the GH3 etc.........much improved over the G5 for video.

http://vimeo.com/gamiorbegoso/httpwwwfacebookcompagesmusgo229913677100591

http://vimeo.com/9796533

http://vimeo.com/57994627
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Maybe after it is hacked, but it shows the same low bit rate long GOP AVC mush in the shadows and on camera moves the GH2 did.
 
Regarding perceived softness in the video, bear in mind that it's all handheld footage. The motion blur is going to soften up some of the finer details. I'm sure the Pocket will be decently sharp enough. Not as high-res as its bigger brothers, but certainly fine and likely better than most DSLRs.
 
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