best prime lense approximating 35mm????

tokina 11-16 mm, if you can find the canon mounted one. u know u wanted primes, but ur not gonna find a fast sharp wide angle lens from canon or any other company if u don't spend the extra bucks. sharp, wide, and decently fast for most uses, low light is incredible on the 7d anyway. if such a thing truly existed as a super sharp, dirt cheap wide angle lens, you stil wouldn't be able to order one cause they'll be back ordered till the end of time :)
 
Chance White said:
But...

The chart is unnecessary because you shouldn't even WORRY about the crop factor in the first place UNLESS you are used to FULL FRAME photography.
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The chart is the ONLY thing that is necessary and means that you do NOT have to worry about "crop factor". In no way does the chart have you worrying about crop factor. You don't even have to have ever heard the words "crop factor." Nor do you have to have any idea what "Full Frame" means. That's the entire point of the chart. No knowledge of "crop factor" or "sensor size" is necessary. NONE.

No offense intended, Chance, but this statement (and others you've made) make it clear that you do not have a full understanding of the topics that are being discussed. You are a great example of the kind of person I'm trying to help. You have some idea of the topic at hand, but seem confused by some basic fundamentals. With the chart, all you have to do is know what kind of camera you own and what kind of shot you want to achieve. That's it.
 
Texanite said:
The chart is the ONLY thing that is necessary and means that you do NOT have to worry about "crop factor". In no way does the chart have you worrying about crop factor. You don't even have to have ever heard the words "crop factor." Nor do you have to have any idea what "Full Frame" means. That's the entire point of the chart. No knowledge of "crop factor" or "sensor size" is necessary. NONE.

No offense intended, Chance, but this statement (and others you've made) make it clear that you do not have a full understanding of the topics that are being discussed. You are a great example of the kind of person I'm trying to help. You have some idea of the topic at hand, but seem confused by some basic fundamentals. With the chart, all you have to do is know what kind of camera you own and what kind of shot you want to achieve. That's it.
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1. Imagine shot. Is it wide? Medium close-up? Mickey Rooney?
2. Confer with chart. Ah! Normal = approx. 35mm.
3. Attach lens.
4. Shoot.
5. ???
6. Profit!
 
thanks guys

thanks guys

really helpful explanations. i ended up renting a 24mm canon 1.4 (which i loved btw), plus a fisheye, my canon 50mm 1.4 efs and my 16-55 zoom

the 50 ended up being our bread and butter
 
Texanite, your chart does simplify things but it still doesn't inform people that their perception of the crop factor issue is incorrect.

The chart is irrelevant to me because I am only interested in cinematic work as close to Academy 35 as possible. I'm not used to shooting Full Frame.

I think it will definitely help and should be stickied... however...

Am I correct that your chart does take the 1.6x crop factor into effect? Does this in fact mean that cinematographers shooting on Academy 35 would also take into account their 1.6x (approximate) crop factor when choosing a lens? You never responded specifically to my repeated point about not worrying about crop factors since the 7D crop is similar to Academy 35 crop, and to shoot a 28mm as a 28mm etc if your concern is cinematic work emulating Academy 35 films.

Thanks.
 
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Chance White said:
Texanite, your chart does simplify things but it still doesn't inform people that their perception of the crop factor issue is incorrect.

The chart is irrelevant to me because I am only interested in cinematic work as close to Academy 35 as possible. I'm not used to shooting Full Frame.

I think it will definitely help and should be stickied... however...

Am I correct that your chart does take the 1.6x crop factor into effect? Does this in fact mean that cinematographers shooting on Academy 35 would also take into account their 1.6x (approximate) crop factor when choosing a lens? You never responded specifically to my repeated point about not worrying about crop factors since the 7D crop is similar to Academy 35 crop, and to shoot a 28mm as a 28mm etc if your concern is cinematic work emulating Academy 35 films.

Thanks.
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Hi Chance,

The nice thing about the chart is that it doesn't matter where you come from or what you are trying to emulate. The chart matches the type of shot you wish to produce with an approximate focal length required specifically for the 7D.

For the sake of understanding, a "wide" field of view looks the same on 645 medium format as it does on 35mm film as it does on 1/3" CCDs*. This is because the concept of a "wide" shot is independent of the hardware used to produce it. It's a visual and artistic decision. And it's an idea that is realized through the proper selection of hardware.

In this case, the chart is specific to the 7D. If anyone from any background wishes to produce a wide shot using the 7D, but isn't sure of what size lens to use, all they have to do is look it up on the chart, mount the lens, and frame the shot. Done. No math.

*This isn't really true. Sensor/medium size impacts more than just field of view, but that's all we are concerned about here.
 
LOL.

Okay, here's my issue...

Sure the chart is necessary. BUT I feel it's really only necessary if you are shooting on the 5D or a full frame camera, OTHERWISE, just pick a lens as you NORMALLY would. 28 is wide, etc, JUST AS THEY SHOULD BE.

However the chart will DEFINITELY help people understand what kind of lens they need based on the kind of shot they want.

Thanks for the guidance everyone and sorry to spin wheels here.
 
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