Avatar - James Cameron Returns! (Spoilers in thread, obviously!)

Yeah, so spoilers, obviously. (In fact, I'm just going to edit the thread title...)

ilauzirika said:
Maybe they just wanted to show us that from the first moment the attack was planed, that no infiltrated agent would be able to stop any invasion from happening.
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That was all fine and well, and almost expected as part of the movie. But the bit that bugs me is that even the infiltrated agent didn't try to stop it, even after the turn of heart.

- Mikko
 
mikkowilson said:
Yeah, so spoilers, obviously. (In fact, I'm just going to edit the thread title...)



That was all fine and well, and almost expected as part of the movie. But the bit that bugs me is that even the infiltrated agent didn't try to stop it, even after the turn of heart.

- Mikko
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Maybe he was living in a dream and forgot about his mission. He even says that he doesn't know when he is real and when avatar. He may be so happy leaving behind all his handicaps (physical, and lack of community membership feeling), that he forgets why he is there until he finds himself between the sword and the wall and he has to run to try to make them leave.

Now that I think about this I remember something I thought when I was seeing it. I can't exactly remember when but I said to myself time is running and he isn't doing anything to fulfil his mission. And I assumed that that was due to him being so happy there that he forgot his mission. So while watching the film I came to that conclusion, which served me to continue following the story without thinking about that.
 
I don't know if it's possible to see this in NON-digital 3D... but I'd suggest you see it in a digital theater if possible.

I drive directly past 2 pretty good theaters... and one great one... to get to the theater I like the most in my area. At this point I know where to go for the best balance of audience maturity, screen size, digital projection, great seating/venue, and best audio.

I suggest you figure that out in your own area if you thought Avatar was dark and fuzzy.
 
mikkowilson said:
But again, in balance, we (the viewer) never heard why the Navi wouldn't give up the mineral? Other than a blanket statement (by the humans no less) that the area is sacred, the Navi never gave (or where given the chance?) to state their case.


Overall I just think that the "negotiations" where very weak from all sides. But then again, that may have very well been the point.

- Mikko
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The goals and needs of the two sides are fundamentally irreconcilable. You can't throw a rock on Pandora without it landing upon something sacred to the Na'vi*; Pandora itself is sacred. And the company is a profit-making operation; they can't very well reorganize themselves around not-mining for the materials they came so far, to find.

Besides, as Jake observes, what do the humans bring that the Na'vi could possibly want? The one gift the humans can legitimately offer is just pulling up stakes and leaving.

So I think you're right: it's a point being made that the parties can't negotiate their way to an accommodation because they're motivated by utterly incompatible directives. It dovetails with the totally overt parallels to the way modern societies have treated aboriginal ones, from Day One: What can you do for us? How about you all just f*cking die and get out of our way, so we can get what we came for.

Pretty much a diplomatic non-starter, right there.


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...also, the events of the film *are* prefaced by a period of efforts toward negotiation and rapport: that's why we meet Na'vi who speak English. That's what the Avatar program has been doing since before Jake got there - remember pictures of Grace etc in Avatar form alongside Na'vi children. It's impatience with the lack of any profitable results that has the company turning toward force, since build-a-school, learn-the-lingo and get-them-to-put-on-some-goddamned-clothes wasn't really going anywhere. I realize that little of this is explicitly stated but it's all there when you think about the time-frame and the pictures.



*or just floating away
 
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I saw this last night with my son in 3D

Awesome

If you walked away from this film and did not like it ? You're high

This film was so much fun, so cool, and so gnarls with it's 3D age ness ism

Future of cinema ?

If this is it's infancy, I am totally buying what they're saying

Some scenes I was like WTF ? That's rad

Awesome film

5 Stars

so much fun
 
Just saw Stephen Lang give what I thought was a very insightful interview to Ari what's-his-name on CNN. Probably viewable somewhere on their site.
 
Glad you liked it, John.

Honestly, I feel terrible for the people who didn't enjoy it. It was an absolute thrill. It's too bad some people failed to feel it.
 
Not to spoil the party, but I'm kind of curious- isn't there something in this movie called Unobtainium?


No CGI effects can undo that level of retarded writing.
 
(sigh)....I'm one of the dumb ones who saw it in 2D. And it was still spectacular (but kinda blurry).

I got to go see it again.....it was that good. I honestly do not understand those that did not like it. The story was great...and the visuals....spectacular.

I didn't realize those 2+ hours went by.....
 
I've seen it twice in 3D, and once in 2D. Still holds up.

May be taking the voyage a third time with some friends soon.
 
Where did the old Titanic thread go? It's really close to this one. I wan't to swap them when the mods aren't looking, no one will know.
 
MeAgain said:
Not to spoil the party, but I'm kind of curious- isn't there something in this movie called Unobtainium?


No CGI effects can undo that level of retarded writing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium just as rodney stated.

[edit] Possible Uses

Unobtainium is the hardest and strongest chemical element known to man. It is so durable that a vessel made of unobtainium can send Donald Trump to the center of the Earth. Unfortunately, the vessel would also be strong enough to bring him back out as well. A two inch thick sheet of Unobtanium is enough to withstand and protect somebody in the midst of a nuclear explosion, because of this scientists hope to make with it, a solar lander for exploring the surface of the sun, if they can manage to find some. It has also been suggested that a structure like this could be used as a new government building, giving the President the option of a penthouse suite on the top floor, or a regular office downstairs. For more information on this proposal, see Natural selection.
Due to its hardness, Unobtainium could also be used to make the world's tallest building, a completely uncollapseable edifice almost one hundred million stories high. However, you'd better be careful not to exceed this critical level, as the building would otherwise suffer unacceptable wear from the moon scraping off the top couple of floors. However this problem is easily solveable by simply building above a latitude of 29.12 degrees (subject to slight adjustment). Alternatively, a Very Expensive Sharp And Pointy Thing could be attached to the top of the tower so instead the bottom of the moon is scraped off.
However, the only problem with creating such starscraping (or moons-scraping) structure would be the obvious lack of need, not to mention Un. With the ability to make both underground capsules AND supergiant buildings, unobtainium would be the most useful element on the idiotic table, if only we could actually get some
 
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