Atomos Ninja prores field recorder, ideal for AF100 over nano or promini?

Atomos Ninja prores field recorder, ideal for AF100 over nano or promini?

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stockfuel said:
Ninja and SSD for me... if they get the HD-SDI out quickly enough, then it seems a great solution.
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I imagine the HD-SDI version would bring the "initial" cost much close to the Ki Pro Mini. However at that point you have to choose between storage for the Ninja or a proper power tap for the Ki Pro Mini.

Ninja with HD-SDI does some like a very solid solution once/if it's available.
 
no ninja with hdmi .... don't like flimsy unlocked connectors carrying footage you possibly couldn't shoot a second time
 
The Ninja seems like a cool device but:
You have to build the drives yourself. Do not run with a spinning HD.
SSD drives are far too expensive.
HDMI carries no timecode infomation.
HDMI has a very poor connector.

I have been using the Nanoflash for about a year now with 0% failure rate and I get to choose the bitrate.

Just a thought.
 
James Bridges said:
The Ninja seems like a cool device but:
You have to build the drives yourself. Do not run with a spinning HD.
SSD drives are far too expensive.
HDMI carries no timecode infomation.
HDMI has a very poor connector.

I have been using the Nanoflash for about a year now with 0% failure rate and I get to choose the bitrate.

Just a thought.
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actually with the updated specs from what the initially said, there are some things proving to be very important features. yes, a flakey hdmi connector can be a deal breaker. HD SDI version needs to come out sooner than later, especially with timecode.

when you compare SSD to compact flash prices, you actually get more capacity, and read/write speed off a SSD than a CF card. A sandisk 64 gb 90 mb/sec cf card on amazon is over 500 dollars. OWC mercury pro SSD, 60 gb is 150 dollars. offloading speeds are going to be faster off a ssd too, speeds tend to slow down as your card reader heats up. Lexar fw 800 card readers are notorious for this, or you can edit straight off the drive with a esata dock.

and as an alternative, you can buy a slow speed 500 gb spinning disc 2.5 inch hard drive, and maybe record hours upon hours of timelapse (for example) if you really needed it. Not like you can't get that with the avchd off the camera but at least you can gain it in 4:2:2.

My qualms are, how well the touch screen works in extreme temperature ranges. example, capacitive touch screens don't work every well when your hands are like ice, they don't work at all if you are wearing gloves. will it start wigging out when it's negative 20 out? or when it's a 130 degrees? AJA and nanoflash already has a reputation for ruggedness, so time will tell on this.

the battery solution on the ninja is looking more cost effective and a lower profile solution than the mini now too. it's gonna be a toss up... but if a hdsdi version comes out, and the screen proves to be very rugged, i think this one is gonna be a big winner. (i was the most skeptical at first, new specs are pretty reassuring)
 
From the debates overall i think the popularity of the ninja will depend on if people think that the other devices are worth 2 and 3 times as much. for me, i don't do extreme temps very often, and can get over the touchscreen which i don't think i like but i'll wait and see. and the hdmi is something i understand them doing because of the huge market of DSLR users they are targeting, and since most new video cameras have hdmi as well they really did a smart thing by appealing to the largest portion of users. what i think the ideal would be is for them to make a proprietary hdmi cable which has a lock in, maybe just two screws on either side like computer monitors, just spitballing here, maybe with a right angle option, this way you can use any hdmi cable in a pinch, but get their locking cable for real use.

in the end i can't really see the justification of features for spending 2 and 3 times the amount of the competition, at least for my basic needs of: simple power, high quality codec, small, reliable(expecting)
 
As long as the HD-SDI version isn't twice as much and it comes out relatively soon, I think the Ninja looks to be a great option.

I'd rather get the HD-SDI version and leave my HDMI port for connecting my high res monitor. I know I could add a HDMI splitter, but then I'd have to power that... HDMI to monitor and HD-SDI to Ninja seems like a much cleaner setup.
 
ideally you'll also have a throughput on the ninja for a sdi version. so you can record out of sdi, and you have another sdi out for either video village or monitor. and if it's going to video village you can use the hdmi for your monitor. or any variation of all of that.

what still worries me is the quality of the touch screen, having some real buttons on the top and bottom or the sides as a redundant configuration wouldn't be a bad idea for them. Cinedeck does the same thing, though the quality of the touch screen is pretty much the highest grade out there. but it's got buttons just in case or if you just aren't the touch screen type of person.
 
xmephestox said:
what still worries me is the quality of the touch screen, having some real buttons on the top and bottom or the sides as a redundant configuration wouldn't be a bad idea for them. Cinedeck does the same thing, though the quality of the touch screen is pretty much the highest grade out there. but it's got buttons just in case or if you just aren't the touch screen type of person.
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That's a great point. I've seen touchscreen devices become unresponsive... backup buttons even a record/stop would be very welcomed in the case of some kind of software crash.
 
I know that the Nano can get power off of batteries that fit a sony but what about on a AF-100, one big advantage of the nano is size but how do you power it on a AF-100?
 
The only concern I have right now is their supported input formats: HD 1080i59.94, 1080i50, 1080p25, 1080p24, 1080p23.98, 720p59.94, 720p50, SD 480i, 576i

I would want 1080p 29.97 for broadcast television and commercial production.
 
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