Atomos AtomX SDI is announced (could use a compact Ninja V with a FS700!)

I wonder if this can do 4k 100fps bursts? No Prores Raw which is frustrating. This would make a much lighter setup for FS700 4k on a gimbal though.
 
I checked the support page and yes it includes the fs700 raw sdi, dci output. Unless its an error it makes the fs700 the camera that refuesed to die.

Ricardo Marty
 
Black Magic just announced a new Video Assist that can read SDI raw but only to Braw, which is great. At the moment it's only mentioned canon and Panasonic cameras but it should work with sony
 
The last two Blackmagic Video Assists weren't capable of reading Sony Raw, so I'm not optimistic about this one :( And the Ninja V couldn't either after all.
 
Sony sdi raw

Sony sdi raw

kaidumo said:
The last two Blackmagic Video Assists weren't capable of reading Sony Raw, so I'm not optimistic about this one :( And the Ninja V couldn't either after all.
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The first VA wrent capable of reading sdi raw these new ones can.

Starmanric
 
FYI Atomos Ninja v with AtomX module will not record raw from FS700. Spoke to support something about unit was not built with that capability. Too bad - nice little unit.

I have the 7Q+ and convergent design is not doing anything to improve 7Q+ - footage still outstanding. Except they did not fix the issue with no sound playback with 4K - at least on my unit. That does not site well with me.
 
Recently picked one up

I don't really care about the no-Raw... it'd have been nice, but oh well.

The limitation that really sticks in my craw is that it WON'T CROSS CONVERT. Want to pipe your A7# in on an SDI multicam? Tough luck... get another one of those stupid little converter boxes and dangle the mess off your tripod.

HDMI to SDI would have really been handly
 
Yes- limited function on NINJA V - Still a nice small device. I just wanted a 5" to be able to record raw from my Fs700 like the odyssey. At some point I will see if pro res or DNxHD will offer increased quality over the AVCHD from FS700. As far as A7III I do not see much any visually difference between XAVC-S vs DNX when I use recording function of NINJA. But the monitor is pretty handy.
 
LDV20 said:
As far as A7III I do not see much any visually difference between XAVC-S vs DNX when I use recording function of NINJA. But the monitor is pretty handy.
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Are you setting your HDMI output to 422 on the a7III?

You still won't see any difference with your own eyes, but might as well get the benefit of it for post if you are recording with the Ninja.
 
Good point -Not sure if I did, but will check and see what the output is set at. I was thinking if I decide to shoot in Slog2 - I might see a difference in grading. But usually if I am going to grade in slog2 - will use FS700 with 7Q+ . Use the A7III mostly on simple jobs. thanks will take a another look at the NINJA recording
 
You'll know when it's on as it disables internal recording when it's working. I usually use S-Log3 with a burned-in LUT over the 422. It's still 8-bit though.
 
Yes - will check. I still do record on SD cards and NINJA at the same time but the monitor stops when I record NINJA. So I will look into this - good point thank you
 
Black magic design new video assist

Black magic design new video assist

LDV20 said:
Yes- limited function on NINJA V - Still a nice small device. I just wanted a 5" to be able to record raw from my Fs700 like the odyssey. At some point I will see if pro res or DNxHD will offer increased quality over the AVCHD from FS700. As far as A7III I do not see much any visually difference between XAVC-S vs DNX when I use recording function of NINJA. But the monitor is pretty handy.
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The new bmd video assist can read raw sdi via sdi but at the moment only from some panasonic cameras. Hopefully the fs700 will be included because there are not many cameras. What i like of the bmd video assist is tha it has a 5inch model and blackmagic raw. But if atomos had a 5 inch version i would buy it. And use its dnx or cdng. O dont use any prores much less the new raw version
 
The Ninja V will never be able to support FS700 RAW because that is more work than the RAW from other cameras. FS700 RAW is compressed, so it must first be decompressed by the recorder before processing for recording. The Ninja V doesn't have the processing power available.

Do not hold your breath for the BMD Video Assist recorders to support the FS700. This camera is no longer manufactured and sold by Sony. If I was BMD, my assumption would be that most people who would want a recorder would have already purchased one, and the business decision to invest the programming hours into developing this support couldbe more profitably used elsewhere. The BMD Video Assists currently support RAW output from the Panasonic EVA1 and the Canon C300-II. I have no idea what other cameras may or may not be added in the future.
 
Yes I know that. But since there are few cameras thoutput sdi raw its up to bmd to increase its market. Just go to atomos inferno compatability list page and see that there are just a few cameras. The newer ones like from sony and panasonuc have there own raw flavor. And others will be using prores raw or cdng. If bmd wants to get market share for braw its got to make it available to everyone it can.
 
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BRAW has market share because it is incorporated into every BMD camera. Adding BRAW capability to the Video Assist allows other manufacturer's cameras to be used alongside BMD cameras. There are only a handful of current cameras that include a RAW output and BMD has done two of them. They may do more but I would highly doubt they would bother with non-current cameras as the market is small. Atomos includes support for those older cameras as legacy code -- it basically costs nothing to continue to support them. For BMD it would be many hours of coding to build support. If I was the product manager I would look long & hard at the realistic attachment rate for units relative to the cost to develop support for these older cameras before committing to adding the support.

I'll give you a reverse example. Years ago when I did this at Convergent Design, I noticed that the F35 cameras were building a community on the used market. That camera used a fairly expensive tape deck and all the solid state recorders available were not compatible with the camera's 12-bit 444 output. Even though there were only a few hundred cameras on the market, I realized that we could basically corner this market if we could make our 12-bit 444 recording work with the camera's output and do so with a minimal investment in engineering time. Luckily we already supported the Canon C500 12-bit 444 and it was a minor update to add F35 support. Our chief engineer literally wrote the code over lunch.

At least 100 Odyssey7Q recorders were sold because of this so it was worth it even though this was an out of date camera with a limited market. But in the case of the FS700, it would take hundreds of programming hours to build the support for that camera, and I seriously doubt there would ever be enough return to justify it. Please note that while the FS700 RAW support would be similar to the FS5 and FS7, it is not exactly the same and would take a good deal of additional coding. In the end just how many people would ditch their Atomos or Odyssey recorders in favor of a BMD unit? Even if smaller and offered new features? How many additional units per month could be forecast? These are the questions that have to be asked for such a busness expenditure.
 
Mitch Gross said:
The Ninja V will never be able to support FS700 RAW because that is more work than the RAW from other cameras. FS700 RAW is compressed, so it must first be decompressed by the recorder before processing for recording. The Ninja V doesn't have the processing power available.

Do not hold your breath for the BMD Video Assist recorders to support the FS700. This camera is no longer manufactured and sold by Sony. If I was BMD, my assumption would be that most people who would want a recorder would have already purchased one, and the business decision to invest the programming hours into developing this support couldbe more profitably used elsewhere. The BMD Video Assists currently support RAW output from the Panasonic EVA1 and the Canon C300-II. I have no idea what other cameras may or may not be added in the future.
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Yes - Understood - I am not looking for anything for FS700 - it works with my 7Q+ and I am happy with the results - Ninja V will never be able to record raw from 700 according to their support. The Ninja is fine for A7III - Actually at this point I prefer not having any recording devices - to bulky etc. I am looking at the Sony FX9 - I will let the smoke clear and see what the next several months are like.
 
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