Fluke
Active member
It just feels like I was driving from Perth to Melbourne but turned off too early and ended up in Adelaide.
Bummer.
Jokes on me because I live in Adelaide... sigh.
Are you guys still waiting on GH1 keeping your eye on the 7D?
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It just feels like I was driving from Perth to Melbourne but turned off too early and ended up in Adelaide.
Bummer.
Jokes on me because I live in Adelaide... sigh.
Nitsuj
Well-known member
And wherever you go... there you are.
All I really meant by posting this initial thread was... if you are salty because you haven't gotten your GH1 yet (that you ordered in May), you might want to take a peek at the 7D, which was announced today, and supposedly is going to be available this month.
Just like with the 5DMII vs GH1, there will be pros and cons for each camera. Someday all of us DVXusers (or FormerDVXusers) will be so wealthy we'll own every new camera that comes out, right?
They are all pretty amazing cameras these days.
Just like with the 5DMII vs GH1, there will be pros and cons for each camera. Someday all of us DVXusers (or FormerDVXusers) will be so wealthy we'll own every new camera that comes out, right?
They are all pretty amazing cameras these days.
Uwe Lansing
Veteran
Take a look at this stuff.
pana gh1:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCGH1/DMCGH1VIDEO.HTM
canon 7d:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DVIDEO.HTM
pana gh1:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCGH1/DMCGH1VIDEO.HTM
canon 7d:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DVIDEO.HTM
commanderspike
Carbonite Member
Joining this discussion late but I am glad the 5D Mark II finally got 24p and a cheaper price
Really, the 7D seems nothing all that new, apart from no longer being full frame.
It has all the usability hassles of the 5D Mark II.
Jello will be less than the 5DM2 but low light performance might not be all that special as it no longer has the full frame sized sensor.
If Canon bring out a proper video / stills hybrid with no mirrorbox, THEN the 7D hype would justify my excitement.
Still... it IS exciting. Can't wait to use one at the IFA show in Berlin on Saturday and maybe shoot some footage with it.
Uwe Lansing
Veteran
I don´t think so. The sensor is smaller but each single pixel is bigger. Maybe the same ability in lowlight...
Was it difficult to get a hotel room? Usually everything is booked out at that date. I´ve thought about it too (have an old friend from london in berlin), but i suspect you have to wait 1 or 2 hours in line and then you´ll have 4 or 5 minutes or so to capture something (without knowing which button does what) :-(
Alpha Beta Omega
Veteran
EVF, swivel display and the fact that you can use any lens will make me stick to the GH1 and wait for the GH2... but I almost jumped on the 7D train.
Uwe Lansing
Veteran
Yup, it always boils down at the moment to => image vs usability or waiting for something that might have it all...
slinks
Well-known member
uggghhh decisions decisions.....and why doesn't the GH1 have 24p in 720 yet? I signed the petition and emailed too!
The 7d looks promising on paper and since i am also a 40d user I have some lenses for it...buuuuut the gh1 seems to me like an HD dvx and I LOVED LOVED LOVED my dvx until the heads died and my world came crumbling down. *cry face*
I'm still on the fence for this one but I definitely need something for video b4 sept ends for a few gigs
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The 7d looks promising on paper and since i am also a 40d user I have some lenses for it...buuuuut the gh1 seems to me like an HD dvx and I LOVED LOVED LOVED my dvx until the heads died and my world came crumbling down. *cry face*
I'm still on the fence for this one but I definitely need something for video b4 sept ends for a few gigs
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ydgmdlu
Veteran
How so? And you know, the GH1 has its own usability hassles...
If it has lesser low-light performance, it won't be because the sensor is smaller.
Martti Ekstrand
Veteran
I always work on this formula when it comes to my own personal stuff:
creative control > technical specs
For instance due to ergonomics I could not have shot "Closing Time" with 5DmkII or 7D. Being able to shoot handheld and focusing through the viewfinder was essential for it. I wouldn't have managed 15 minutes with holding the camera out infront of me to see the LCD. I do exercise at the gym regularly but thats a grueling position to work in and it wouldn't have been steady enough for watching. Nor would I've been able to focus properly in low light that way. Plus people would have understood I was filming them, not being the slowest still photographer in the world, and simply walked away. Even more so if I had hauled the cam around on a tripod alone in the middle of the night, I might have been mugged even (or rather subjected to a attempt, I can be pretty nasty when somebody is not nice to me).
Same ergonomic problem for "Sthlm Rim Shots" plus the lack of auto focus would have made it... ummm... out of focus a hell of a lot more that it is. Bit like that Venice piece Canon shows - chok'ful of unintended drifting in-out of focus close-ups, what the hell was the editor thinking?
"A Kindling Light" perhaps I could do with 7D, haven't seen specs if such 1/2 second shutter speeds are available in video mode on it. Sure it can be shoot as still photo timelapse but being able to playback the clips in camera to learn and adjust on the spot made it possible to shoot it in one night, not three.
So the only clip I've done so far over this summer since I got my GH1 that I could have done with 7D is "Dark Heavens" - a fairly static and heavily graded 30 sec film. Anybody who says GH1 footage can't be graded isn't as good at neither photography or grading as he think he is.
The 7D do sound enticing for more controlled types of work with a team around and stuff like external monitors and whatnot. I might end up getting one as well but not until I see something more than Canon's own stuff and kludgy Gizmodo/Engadget/whatever samples. BTW due to 30 fps only 5DmkII has always been out of the question as a video tool for me here in a PAL land, re-timing bugs on fast overlapping motion look lot worse than any mud or low colour resolution problems you can find in "Sthlm Rim Shots" as a example. Plus the re-timing render times are not practical in my daily workflow.
But I probably hold out for a GH2 or something like the HVX171 frankencamera potatochop image Ben made since just like editman, I love all the lens options that the m4/3 mount allows. What's that? You don't think something better will come based on GH1? Well, Canon did bring out 7D just now didn't they?
Then I would advice anybody thinking of letting go of a GH1 now to remember that Canon's track record for delivering 5DmkII isn't exactly stellar, don't know how it was in the US but here in Sweden it took nearly half a year between 'release' in November to when it was actually possible to buy if off the shelf. Biggus Dickus codec comparisons don't matter one bit if you have nothing to shoot with. Check that you will actually get the 7D within a reasonable timeframe.
Finally I'm not slamming the 7D, I just don't think it's the end of all things as some people here seem to argue, and neither is GH1. They both have their places, sometimes probably next to each other. And something better will succeed both of them.
creative control > technical specs
For instance due to ergonomics I could not have shot "Closing Time" with 5DmkII or 7D. Being able to shoot handheld and focusing through the viewfinder was essential for it. I wouldn't have managed 15 minutes with holding the camera out infront of me to see the LCD. I do exercise at the gym regularly but thats a grueling position to work in and it wouldn't have been steady enough for watching. Nor would I've been able to focus properly in low light that way. Plus people would have understood I was filming them, not being the slowest still photographer in the world, and simply walked away. Even more so if I had hauled the cam around on a tripod alone in the middle of the night, I might have been mugged even (or rather subjected to a attempt, I can be pretty nasty when somebody is not nice to me).
Same ergonomic problem for "Sthlm Rim Shots" plus the lack of auto focus would have made it... ummm... out of focus a hell of a lot more that it is. Bit like that Venice piece Canon shows - chok'ful of unintended drifting in-out of focus close-ups, what the hell was the editor thinking?
"A Kindling Light" perhaps I could do with 7D, haven't seen specs if such 1/2 second shutter speeds are available in video mode on it. Sure it can be shoot as still photo timelapse but being able to playback the clips in camera to learn and adjust on the spot made it possible to shoot it in one night, not three.
So the only clip I've done so far over this summer since I got my GH1 that I could have done with 7D is "Dark Heavens" - a fairly static and heavily graded 30 sec film. Anybody who says GH1 footage can't be graded isn't as good at neither photography or grading as he think he is.
The 7D do sound enticing for more controlled types of work with a team around and stuff like external monitors and whatnot. I might end up getting one as well but not until I see something more than Canon's own stuff and kludgy Gizmodo/Engadget/whatever samples. BTW due to 30 fps only 5DmkII has always been out of the question as a video tool for me here in a PAL land, re-timing bugs on fast overlapping motion look lot worse than any mud or low colour resolution problems you can find in "Sthlm Rim Shots" as a example. Plus the re-timing render times are not practical in my daily workflow.
But I probably hold out for a GH2 or something like the HVX171 frankencamera potatochop image Ben made since just like editman, I love all the lens options that the m4/3 mount allows. What's that? You don't think something better will come based on GH1? Well, Canon did bring out 7D just now didn't they?
Then I would advice anybody thinking of letting go of a GH1 now to remember that Canon's track record for delivering 5DmkII isn't exactly stellar, don't know how it was in the US but here in Sweden it took nearly half a year between 'release' in November to when it was actually possible to buy if off the shelf. Biggus Dickus codec comparisons don't matter one bit if you have nothing to shoot with. Check that you will actually get the 7D within a reasonable timeframe.
Finally I'm not slamming the 7D, I just don't think it's the end of all things as some people here seem to argue, and neither is GH1. They both have their places, sometimes probably next to each other. And something better will succeed both of them.
ydgmdlu
Veteran
Funny you should say that, since Panasonic bungled the GH1 release just as badly as Canon did, in case you've forgotten. How many people lurking or commenting in this forum are still anxiously waiting (after months and months already of waiting) to get a GH1? Perhaps your experience in Sweden has been different, but the point is that you can't make sweeping statements designed to appeal to everyone when they are demonstrably misleading.
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this decision is killing me, I really don't know which way I will go, GH1 or 7D. Seems 7D will have more staying power but GH1 is less expensive and easier to use. I don't know how the bitrate and codec issues with the GH1 will effect me. Given that I am not a professional it will probably be fine but is still a lot of money for something that may be lacking. I can't afford new cameras every year or even every 3 years so i will have to live with my choice for a long time.
same in germany, a salesman of a big electronics retailer chain similar to B&H recently told me they could still sell almost 3 times as much 5dMKII's than they actually are able to.
Still amazon claims to ship preordered 7D's as soon as official date of appearance which is said to be early october...well, they say.
Shipping times for GH1 are 4-5 days here.
Same can be said for your statement. Replace Sweden with US in this case.
Martti Ekstrand
Veteran
Now I haven't forgotten I am well aware of it, that's exactly why I pointed out that Canon should be viewed with caution as well. So nobody again ends up sitting waiting for a camera to shoot with, you know; in all friendliness.
Oh I'm so so sorry, I forgot to add "either":
Canon's track record for delivering 5DmkII isn't exactly stellar either
There, does this help you untwist your knickers?
Boz
Well-known member
Same here... and I have to make my decision by the weekend since I'll have to return my GH1 by then. Ugh!
True for the most part, unless you have Canon lenses. Then the GH1 is only slightly cheaper. But I definitely agree... it's really a case of user friendliness vs output. GH1 wins the former, but 7D has a definite advantage in the latter.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I cant afford to be buying a camera (or cameras!) every year, since they don't pay for themselves. So, unlike others who go through cameras like shoes, for me it's a decision I'll have to live with for a few years.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Depends on if you need a camera for the next several months. Pre-orders are being told they won't get their 7Ds until December. If you need a camera, keep it, let the 7D get shaken down and find out what the real deal is, then decide if you want to trade it in.
If you don't need a camera for the next several months, return the GH1. But you probably won't get a 7D for a long time.