Archiving P2 - HELP???

LastClip.txt file & Avid

LastClip.txt file & Avid

David Jimerson said:
The size of the LastClip.txt file is . . .

14 bytes. Not kilobytes, bytes. 112 1s and 0s.

It takes you a millisecond more to click and drag over the Contents folder and the txt file than it does just to click on the Contents folder.

Think of it this way, too -- there may come a time when you want to put the contents of a card back on a card -- you'll need everything if you want to do that.
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Avid Xpress Pro 5.7 was having trouble figuring out how to handle clips recorded across cards until I created one LastClip.txt file that included the data from all the relevant LastClip.txt files. So, yes, all the card data is important.
 
I'm sure this has already been noted, but just to reiterate... I would never again archive to HDD. Over the course of the year that we've been in business we've lost a total of six external hard drives. Including two P2 short film projects. Completely random, we've been doing nothing wrong. One of them had hardly been used at all.

File recovery is far too expensive (upwards of $1000), but we've kept the damaged drives in case we ever do need to get anything off them.

When it comes to HDD, it's complete luck as to how long they will last.
 
We archive to a server. It's amazing how often we go back through the archive material to look for old clips that can be reused.

I think it's hiliarious how we've managed to get away from shooting on tape, but archiving to tape is still happening. If you're achiving to tape, you might as well be shooting on tape. It may take more time to capture the footage, but if you're taking P2 footage and recording to tape, you're spending just as much time! Obviously, ultimately what you shoot on depends on what quality resolution you want, although I doubt for most of us the highest setting on the HVX is a must.
 
not necessarily true that if you archiving to tape you should be recording on tape. Quantum's A series devices are kind of like agnostic vtrs. They don't care if the footage is DV, HD or anything in between so one machine serves all the formats unlike a real VTR.
 
Yeah, that logic makes no sense. If you're distributing on DVD, should you be acquiring on a DVD camcorder?

Shoot on the very best format you can get. Archive on the best format for your workflow. For many people an LTO3 data tape is ideal for that, or the Quantum DLT 600A, etc -- they're designed specifically for video work. They're preposterously fast (an LTO3 is potentially capable of archiving an hour's worth of 1080 footage in 10 minutes), they're cheap (something like 400GB for $100) and they're permanent, battle-tested archiving systems. Their tape is nothing whatsoever like a $5 HDV tape that you'd stick on a shelf. Whole different world.
 
LTO cross vendor compatibility problems

LTO cross vendor compatibility problems

At IBC this year i met a man from the BBC and they are using LTO tape to backup there D3 library of over 100,000 tapes because panasonic is no longer supporting D3.

He told me that they found there to problems with cross vendor compatibility . A quantum tape might not play back on an HP player etc..

But if the BBC are using quantum LTO to backup i would use it.
 
I use Firestores to record to quicktime format instead of mxf files - I was told my Final Cut Pro workflow would be easier this way. would I reap any benefit from dedicated video and/or mxf aware tape solutions or would it be more cost effective to use a more traditional tape archive?
 
I'm about 10 months into my use of an SDLT 600A Quantum drive as an archive system.
It has been solid, reliable system for archiving any kind of video material. I have some TB's of various MXF's for projects I have in process and also use it for archiving Quick time versions of older material I have on a various tape formats.

The SDLT A drives are slower than the LTO Series so if speed is a consideration look towards the LTO series as they read/ write faster than the SDLT's
 
I'm not working in a scale where CMS is super important and so far my CMS exists on a labeling system. I can see the value of a CMS system and I'll reach that point pretty soon in terms of the volume of archived material I have to maintain.
Retrospect at one time would handle archives to tape drives but I don't think they have kept up with the Mac platform support.

There definitely is a place for CMS with Quantum A series drives as the volume of material to archived grows in scale.
 
Currently, I'm working on DVCAM and looking to make the switch to P2. The only thing holding me back is the issue of archiving. Much of my editing involves being able to access file footage quickly for re-use. I don't want to go the hard drive route . Would something like LTO work for me? If I dump my raw footage to LTO, how would I go about getting it back into FCP for future editing?
 
If you're looking for speed I would go the hard drive route. Consider the P2 cards your raw tapes and keep a library of them on a hard drive. That's your shelf for the cards. LTO would be a good solution to back-up those cards and it's mxf aware too.

Tom


FireVideo said:
Currently, I'm working on DVCAM and looking to make the switch to P2. The only thing holding me back is the issue of archiving. Much of my editing involves being able to access file footage quickly for re-use. I don't want to go the hard drive route . Would something like LTO work for me? If I dump my raw footage to LTO, how would I go about getting it back into FCP for future editing?
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realistically priced CMS

realistically priced CMS

I think what we all need is a realistically priced CMS

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Focus Enhancements Proxsys PX-1 Production Media Server http://www.holdan.co.uk/focus/px1.htm

This keeps low res preview clips on hard drive and all the originals on LTO tape or hard drive or both. If you need a shot of a tree or a bus in your edit just type in bus etc and you have instant access to that clip if on hard drive or it will tel you which LTO tape to load in...

After a few months filming with P2 you will end up with thousands of clips and we need a way of keeping track of them. As well as the p2 mxf the focus system has its own MXF system so one clip might shows up in the system and have several files. An HD clip sd clip ,word file ,the script or notes pdf etc.

But at £15,000 this is too much. We need a CMS at a realistic price ...

P2 CMS is just for P2 i need all my clips in P2 and MPG2 and AVI and i don't want to keep all my content on hard drive. I only want to keep stuff i use all the time on hard drive all the rest on LTO.







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