Apple the iPhone 12 Pro Max with ProRAW photos, LiDar and Dolby HDR

I understand that iphone fans would complain about their gadgets appearing so low in the dxomark rankings. Then again: I have an iphone, and the camera truly is awful compared with my previoius android. I'm sure newer models take better pictures, but I have no trouble believing that the 1/1.28" sensor on the Huawei will take much better pixels than the 1/1.9" sensor on the iphone 12 pro max, or the 1/2.6" sensor of the 12 pro.
 
One can't buy Huawei in the US anyway.

This site does like iPhone 12 over the Samsung.

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/best-camera-phone

This one likes Huawei but the piece came out before the 12 was announced.

https://www.techradar.com/news/best-cameraphone

This one likes 12 Pro.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-phone-cameras,review-2272.html

From August, 11Pro (no Huawei mentioned)

https://www.cnet.com/news/best-camera-phone-for-2020/

Huawei P40 Pro (prior to 12)

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/best-camera-phones/

PS. If you want to really see pitchforks, visit Canon Rumors. Those guys have no love lost for DxO.
 
The canonrumors hate of dxomark is precisely the reason I tend to think all those complaints have no merit XD
And those articles you posted that liked the iphone (digitalcameraworld, tomsguide, cnet) are listing lots of specs and posting no pics. At least the dxomark article shows the pics and points in them why they like or dislike each phone!

(if you're wondering why I have an iphone if I hate them so much: it's the one they gave me at work, I have to use it - I'd gladly pay the price of an iphone just to NOT have to use an iphone but it's not an option)
 
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I've done weddings since the mid 90s and for me it's really fallen off lately. Partly because I don't really try to do more weddings. A website is all the marketing I do now. But I think there is something to the ever-increasing quality of phones and everyone having them. I agree a bunch of people at a wedding with phones can get more stuff than a 2-3 person crew can but how many really good moving shots can they get, and how about in low light? How about good audio? And how about a good edit? Probably for many brides a few phone clips they can share on social media is good enough and they don't need a professionally shot and produced video anymore.

And I wonder how rapidly corporate clients will move to in-house phone footage versus hiring a pro? The main video element missing is good audio but that can be done ok with add-ons if they know how. Part of what we do is help them brainstorm and produce a product from concept to completion which yields a better end result and use pro gear/techniques for creative image aquisition, but as people go for lower and lower budgets they may deem a phone video good enough for the cost.

I used my iPhone6S for a short clip shot a couple weeks ago I am actually using in a corporate demo reel because it was the only thing I had at the time to record an unexpected shot. I had to stabilize it with Mercali but the quality holds up to the other cameras. The conditions were just right and after some work I decided it wasn't worth travelling there again to reshoot with the gear I wish I had the first time (gimbal and drone). So...good enough.

I wish the camera manufactureres could put more into a few camera models rather than making many models but still there's no way they will dump the development tech into our cameras that the phone manufacturers rapidly do in the phones since the market share is so much smaller.
Something like the phone tech in an FX9 or UX180 would make for great cameras and with less frustrating workarounds we always have to do because the cameras are always lacking in several ways.
 
Not sure how new it is, but just saw a commercial for the latest iPhone.

It's a bunch of younger people using what I would say is every single piece of support gear that's used in blockbusters - gimbals, sliders, jibs, shoulder rig, car mount, even a snoricam - except they appear to be smaller, lighter versions (as you'd imagine) during their filmmaker adventures.

It's exactly how I (and I'd say millions of others) think about the future.

Maybe a bit overzealous at this second in time, but every single shot had such high production value and it's truly what the future will be like.

[Will post the link if I find it.]
 
Entirely plausible.

However, as much as the price and learning curve of the product may democratize the field, the powers of the tool will never eliminate the importance of the skills and creativity of the person behind the camera.

And the price difference between an iPhone and a mirrorless camera with lenses is not so great as to prevent people from buying the latter if it advantages their work.
 
The question I'd ask is who's going to want a mirrorless camera with lenses though? Over a great phone with a high IQ (not this current version).
 
If the iPhone somehow delivers superior quality, then of course it's game over. I'd get one.

But the controls/interface for handling a stills camera is way better. Because it wasn't primarily designed as a phone.

And the idea of portrait mode in video seems suspect to me since I think that portrait mode just masks out the individual and blurs around them. I could be wrong. Getting a consistent mask in motion from frame to frame is hard to nail, especially with 100% success.

I also think large sensor cameras will always have a light advantage. And I can use fast telephotos and wide-angles, unlike the iPhone.

Then there's the marketing of owning and showing up with a camera camera and not the same consumer tech your client owns.

Then there's the fact that I already own an FS7 and A7SIII.
 
The fishing rod/line shot is more believable once you see the phone actually appears to be on a small platform held by 4 wires, or tied someway.

(The first shot showing the bottom of the phone doesn't show it though but then you see the wires in the drop...obviously it's all produced anyway.)
 
IPhone 12 Pro Max is 160.8 x 78.1 x 7.4mm

Sony RX 100 VII is 102 x 58 x 43 mm

And RX 100 VII has a 24-200mm optical zoom.
 
Not sure if this is legit or not but I saw this music video a while ago which it's entire theme is built around filming with an iPhone. As an owner of over 100k in production gear and two RED cameras, lately I have been taking a few steps backward and looking at what is possible with something so simple as an iPhone 12. Makes one appreciate talent in terms of lighting and creativity versus thinking you need a special camera, lens, or production equipment to make high end moves and good pictures. There is something so beautiful about simplicity.

 
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Not sure if this is legit or not but I saw this music video a while ago which it's entire theme is built around filming with an iPhone. As an owner of over 100k in production gear and two RED cameras, lately I have been taking a few steps backward and looking at what is possible with something so simple as an iPhone 12. Makes one appreciate talent in terms of lighting and creativity versus thinking you need a special camera, lens, or production equipment to make high end moves and good pictures. There is something so beautiful about simplicity.

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It should make you appreciate professional film crews. They literally relied completely on a special camera, lens and production equipment!

skateboard rig - straps have gone

train motion control - camera is panning vs. being static while moving around a circular track

fishing rod - obviously a drone, plus there's a drone operator credit

peep hole - shot in film is completely locked off even though he shoots it handheld.

vape cloud - wouldn't be that big

camera falling with talent - I'm not sure what would change if you did it with a phone vs. the "Hollywood" way?

drill roll - drill couldn't move that slow

The irony is there's nothing simple about the video except for the concept "if friends together they can use readily accessible tools to create high end production values"!? Unless the video is more of a dig at the idea of the ease of being creative just because technology is advancing? Personally, that would be a much stronger message...who speaks French?

One good thing to come from this leap in phone IQ is the eventual phasing out of the tired press release of "film shot entirely on iphone". I don't imagine this headline really blows people away anymore so it seems like lazy marketing at this point.
 
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Absolutely. But I did a similar shot years ago with a BM pocket (the original one that could actually fit inside a pocket) and a boom pole.
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Nice, I can see that working! I liked the original BMPCC. One pocket for the camera, 15 pockets for the batteries.
 
it's very cool but if you watch some other videos of them you will see that they produce music videos on a very professional level. The iPhone is just part of the story.

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And the same goes for camera companies. How come auto exposure can't prioritize the faces in the exposure? How come theres no setting for auto-exposure to lock your exposure once shooting starts so theres no ramping during a clip? I would use it a lot more during run and gun if I could do that
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Have you read page 174 of Sony Help Guide for a7SIII - "Face Priority in Multi Metering (still image/movie)"?
Also, there is dedicated AEL button on a7SIII body.

There is constant flood of Luminar AI like functions to finishing systems, just a step away from next (i)phone.

Dont't get me started on Chivo...
 
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