I guess it's time to update my phone.
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/13/live-coverage-october-2020-apple-event/
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/13/live-coverage-october-2020-apple-event/
Apple the iPhone 12 Pro Max with ProRAW photos, LiDar and Dolby HDR
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NorBro
Major Contributor
We should definitely see extremely high-end ProRes RAW video phones in the future.
Many old-timers used to say we're so lucky with all of the options we have today (2010-ish --> 2020).
Well, I'm saying now these future individuals will be so lucky to have such high quality in phones with who knows what kind of post flexibility.
Many old-timers used to say we're so lucky with all of the options we have today (2010-ish --> 2020).
Well, I'm saying now these future individuals will be so lucky to have such high quality in phones with who knows what kind of post flexibility.
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The ability to hold dynamic range in these phones is beginning to get amazing.
Run&Gun
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The computational photography is beginning to be ridiculous. We were shooting some interviews a few weeks ago and just could not get it to balance out with the windows, mid-ground and subjects, but my damn iPhone 11Pro balanced it all perfectly. Actually a tad too perfectly, but the fact that my ~$1K cell phone could nail the exposure balance the ~$30K F55 couldn't is crazy.
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Yeah, I get directors taking reference photos with their phones, and then needing to do a lot of lighting to get those levels. haha.
ahalpert
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But then people try to shoot the orange smoke sky over SF and the phone fixes it. All that in-camera color correction... but most of the time, its what you want anyway. I think these phones are going to wipe out some of the low-grade work and become a useful documentary tool. certainly, the first thing I ask if a client says they want to remotely self-shoot an interview is, "do they have an iphone?"
FilmicPro claimed 12 stops DR for the previous model.
Can you link to the clip with DR that impressed you?
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most of the impressive DR is from an automated HDR like process. Not sure that filmic pro does that. I stopped using filmic pro a long time ago, as if I wanted old school, I'd just get a cinema camera.
In just a few years producers saying "I want it to look like it was shot on a cell phone" may have a completely different meaning.
I wonder what Apple plan is for ProRes RAW on mobile devices? Will they pay RED a licensing fee or maybe try to buy the whole company?
In the former case to limit licensing fees they could limit ProRes RAW to top end models that replace the iPhone Pro Max.
markoconnell
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"The cameras are capable of recording video in 10-bit Dolby Vision HDR in 4K resolution at 60 fps, with live preview of HDR content. There's also a LiDAR Scanner for enhancing augmented reality applications and providing faster autofocus for photos and videos, with focus time in low-light scenes improved sixfold."
QuickHitRecord
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If in the next 5-10 years these phones have full frame (optical or computational) performance, interchangeable lenses, unfailing autofocus, gimbal-like IBIS, and ProRes Raw (or something similar), and every kid grows up learning how to use it for TikTok, then I shudder to think about how difficult it will be to make a living as a freelancing camera person.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Yes. They will still need cameramen but the bottom will fall out of the day-rate payscale for everything but high end, I imagine
That being said, I think there are limits to how well these devices can perform in low-light and also how much you can stabilize a camera when the hand holding it is shaking to and fro. Angular rotation stabilization yes. Bobbing and swaying stabilization no
Apple was clearly thinking of you when they designed to iPhone 12 Pro Max. I think we might be seeing more phones on tripods. This might end up being an acceptable option for some live-streaming work.
What a strange time...
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/10/apple-introduces-iphone-12-pro-and-iphone-12-pro-max-with-5g/
Clermond
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they do already. And portrait / upright off course.
(I am not willing to pay a grand for a smartphone)
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I haven't read about their night mode implementation, but dont most phone low light modes rely on combining multiple exposures? Difficult or impossible to do that well in video
NorBro
Major Contributor
If Canon is selling cameras with CRL, Apple could figure something out.
Apple already challenged RED in court about this (and also had some sort of relationship with them as well), so anything is up in the air at this point.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
In live streaming, using vMix Call for remote participants, we are seeing MUCH better results from the iPhone 11 than from any tablets or laptop cameras. We always ask, "Do you have one of the new iPhone 11s?" when viewing their crappy 15fps 720p laptop camera. It's quite amazing how good that phone's camera is.
I think being a professional camera op's days are somewhat limited, other than the very high end. As soon as phones have a 12k raster that can shoot in hardly any or crappy lighting, to shoot a 4k signal and use all of the rest of the sensor area as slop for IBIS/Steadicam type processing in real time to make it so anyone who can point a phone can get usable, if not perfectly smooth footage wherever you point the phone camera, it's be all over for many of us, if not most of us.
I think being a professional camera op's days are somewhat limited, other than the very high end. As soon as phones have a 12k raster that can shoot in hardly any or crappy lighting, to shoot a 4k signal and use all of the rest of the sensor area as slop for IBIS/Steadicam type processing in real time to make it so anyone who can point a phone can get usable, if not perfectly smooth footage wherever you point the phone camera, it's be all over for many of us, if not most of us.
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