25 to 40 tracks...is that a lot? Your tracks are bigger than mine. Is that how many tracks it takes to make you a pro?
Apple release a guide for FCP7 editor that is migrating to FCPX
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25 to 40 tracks...is that a lot? Your tracks are bigger than mine. Is that how many tracks it takes to make you a pro?
gonzo_entertainment
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So like I said, what is your workflow to get the project to your partner so he can process the audio in pro tools? If he doesn't process your audio why are you bringing him into this?
I'm a windows guy, so I don't care. I use Adobe for the little editing I do. I'm just pointing out that a "pro" workflow involves the audio being processed by a dedicated audio person who will want the timeline exported out in a format he can import for the audio work. Delivering an NLE that doesn't have one of the most fundamental capabilities a "pro" NLE can have says all that needs to be said about it's target audience.
I'm a windows guy, so I don't care. I use Adobe for the little editing I do. I'm just pointing out that a "pro" workflow involves the audio being processed by a dedicated audio person who will want the timeline exported out in a format he can import for the audio work. Delivering an NLE that doesn't have one of the most fundamental capabilities a "pro" NLE can have says all that needs to be said about it's target audience.
gonzo_entertainment
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It's not a pissing contest. It's a realistic estimation of what the audio tracks look like on a narrative film. Potentially multiple tracks of dialogue, incidental music, maybe practical music, various combinations of room tone, foley, ADR, it all adds up quick.
Maybe Apple will fix it, seems like maybe they are trying, but leaving out something so fundamental is, as I said, like rolling out a new car line that doesn't include a working transmission.
cheezweezl
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i have a great use for this "white paper". i'll put it with the rest of the white paper next to my toilet.
He does, that's why we use Automatic Duck. Workflow is pretty simple, drag and drop into the app, then export for Pro Tools. We'll give X2Pro a try for FCP X 10.0.3.
Edit: Here's a tutorial for Automatic Duck.
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Why is that a "pro workflow?" Isn't just one workflow?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but not all "pros" do this or even need this. However, some "pros" do.
But a "pro workflow" doesn't devolve on this workflow in many "pros' view."
gonzo_entertainment
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That's fine and glad it works for you.
You can't understand at all why pro editors who edit 8 to 10 hours a day 5 days a week would be a little irate that the export to OMF directly from the editor that they had used for years was suddenly gone and had to be replaced with third party software? That's it's viewed like "Oh this toaster is pretty cool, why didn't they put a plug on it?"
My editor is sticking to FCP 7 until he just can't anymore then switching to Premiere full time. He edits on both already depending on the client.
You can't understand at all why pro editors who edit 8 to 10 hours a day 5 days a week would be a little irate that the export to OMF directly from the editor that they had used for years was suddenly gone and had to be replaced with third party software? That's it's viewed like "Oh this toaster is pretty cool, why didn't they put a plug on it?"
My editor is sticking to FCP 7 until he just can't anymore then switching to Premiere full time. He edits on both already depending on the client.
alaskacameradude
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So you are saying 99.95% of 'pro' level productions are narrative productions???? I do plenty of editing,
and am paid for it so I kind of consider myself a 'pro'. I've done several documentaries for PBS and have
always edited my own audio within the NLE......to be fair, I did 'roundtrip' to Soundtrack Pro for
a few things. But I'm not sure that 99.95% of 'pro' level stuff would need that, I guess it might come
down to your definition of 'pro level'.
Theres also a cheap FCP X to 7 app. If you got FCp 7 edit in X then go back to 7 for protools OMf support. This new FCP x release was huge and it only went from 10.0.2 to 10.0.3., a .1 release that added more than expected as well as better performance. FCp X is only $299 as opposed to $2499. And I like to remind myself that all editor apps including Avid have at one point or another eol'd some segment of their user base ( like when avid eol'd xpress pro, adobe premiere ending mac support for some years).
awelgraven
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but didn't Automatic Duck release it's OMF Export tool for free?
http://www.automaticduck.com/products/pefcp/
I don't use OMF for anything... so I don't know much about it. I just remember reading it was free now...
http://www.automaticduck.com/products/pefcp/
I don't use OMF for anything... so I don't know much about it. I just remember reading it was free now...
Of course I understand that. I don't remember stating anything else.
I just take issue with a blanket statement that unless your workflow requires a NLE that permits third party video grading or audio sweetening, then you are not a pro.
gonzo_entertainment
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"Theres also a cheap FCP X to 7 app. If you got FCp 7 edit in X then go back to 7 for protools OMf support."
And AGAIN, making the user jump through hoops for functionality that every editor expected to be there before you'd even think about releasing it.
If you get paid you certainly have every right to call yourself a pro. It's just a totally different world I know very little about and have no interest in (Docs and events). In the narrative film world if you're doing post sound in the NLE, you are probably making a zombie film in your back yard.
And with that I'm going to bow out, so hopefully this thread can get back on topic.
And AGAIN, making the user jump through hoops for functionality that every editor expected to be there before you'd even think about releasing it.
If you get paid you certainly have every right to call yourself a pro. It's just a totally different world I know very little about and have no interest in (Docs and events). In the narrative film world if you're doing post sound in the NLE, you are probably making a zombie film in your back yard.
And with that I'm going to bow out, so hopefully this thread can get back on topic.
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Dang you are correct. Well there you are omf support for free.
Automatic Duck post all their products to download free, including their FCPX audio exporter
shoot_me_silly
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You talk of jumping through hoops as if you you have used FCP X extensively. Skilled pros should be able to jump through all kinds of hoops and find workarounds to get their job done, no matter what tools they use. There goes your argument again.
There are haters out there for sure and I also understand what gonzo is saying but with this recent update I think FCp x did right to all those that needed the features added and its only just the beginning. X has been slammed so much it may be time for the slammers to actually use the the app before denigrating it, there is a 30 day free trial, and do some research before knocking it to death.