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It is vastly improbable that any AppleTV HD content will look or sound as good as the same media on Blu Ray... there simply isn't enough bandwidth to feed that amount of sheer data to consumer devices.

The quality of downloaded media will not be comparable to Blu-Ray until the day where we have 100+mbps up speeds and 200+mpbs download speeds and the hardware capable of handling that throughput on a massive consumer scale.
 
Netlfix is decent, but in no way is comparable to BD at this point. Even my DirecTV satellite is better than Netflix streaming. Plus with Netflix streaming you can't get 5.1 audio yet. Maybe when there's better compression codecs available or they allow you to download or buffer BD quality ahead of beginning watching the movie then it could be comparable. Either way, streaming is the future and the future is right around the corner.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
Netflix HD looks solid, but my BD player is just better enough and the sound quality is phenomenal.

After a huge Windows hiatus I made the switch to Windows 7 about six months ago. I use OSX at work but am so tired of the closed architecture and having to throw everything through prores. CS5 has made the switch pretty painless. I have enough money tied up in Apple, they're not gonna miss me much. Not when they're pretty much an iphone/ipad/ipod company now.
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Unfortunately, there are a number of things that might converge to kill Apple computers for me. Notably the fact that Apple is canceling support for Java. I think in large part due to Oracle's mishandling (or maybe handling exactly according to plan) of the community process. I do a lot of work in Java, and was very excited to get a UNIX machine with nice UI to work on. However, it'd really hard for me to see going back to Win. Maybe for editing. I agree that the FCP suite is probably going by way of the dodo. No money in it for them. For work, I will likely go to Ubuntu. I can do just about all of my software dev on Linux. Keep an apple box for iPhone dev. Then maybe go to Adobe for post...but, that's all for another thread.
 
Mike@AF said:
Netlfix is decent, but in no way is comparable to BD at this point. Even my DirecTV satellite is better than Netflix streaming. Plus with Netflix streaming you can't get 5.1 audio yet.
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I must be blind then. Looks pretty comparable to me. Netflix Canada is a slighty different service so maybe it's better, less streams to serve. No 5.1 is a bigger drawback, but the stereo is surround encoded. I'm not trying to convince anyone Netflix is a replacement for owning a blu-ray of a quality film. But for 95 percent of the stuff I'd only rent or watch on cable, it's pretty fantastic.
 
robertrogoz said:
Next year please include HDMI with your computers. Also BD drive read and write, so I can watch BD disc on the road with my laptop. Also please include real BD authoring, not some funky work around. And also USB3!
Mr Jobs- you are a very clever man, but not every vision you have agrees with the rest of the population. I am a loyal Mac user, but have another look at this- would make a lot of people happy with these small changes.
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There's a good possibility that Steve Jobs is bypassing the whole USB 3.0 train and holding out for the fiber-based Lightpeak, which is far faster and can run for much longer distances, and maybe even include power, too. I can imagine him being excited about future computers that literally run off a single cable. There's scattered evidence of him being involved in the format's development, too.
 
mcgeedigital said:
Unless Apple pulls out a significant upgrade to the suite for NAB, I'm inclined to agree with Mark.
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What would you like to see?

Motion revamped to be more competitive with After Effects?
Something like Avid's Pro Tool's implemented, hybridizing Garage Band and Soundtrack Pro?
More user-friendly interface with Color?
Final Cut Pro....well, I can't think of anything with FCP. I think it's just as good, if not better than, Premiere.
 
I frankly don't care if Final Cut Pro adds a single more feature. I'm good with where it's at, and it should fulfill all my needs for many, many more years...And I edit ALOT.
 
I really hope Apple continues to support and develop FCP and its little brothers (Motion, LiveType, DVD Studio Pro, Soundtrack). I really like FCP in general over Premiere, although, I could go back to Premiere if I had to and would probably be okay.

I don't have any major hate for PC's, but I just like that compared to past experience my Mac Pro with FCP is just a ton more reliable, faster, and all around a joy to work with compared to the days when I was using Premiere on a PC.

At least Adobe's post production suite is available on both Mac and PC, in case FCP really does die in the next year or two. I would imagine if Apple actually kills off Final Cut, that Adobe will swoop in and become the go-to company for editing and post on the Mac platform.
 
jscottprice said:
What would you like to see?

Motion revamped to be more competitive with After Effects?
Something like Avid's Pro Tool's implemented, hybridizing Garage Band and Soundtrack Pro?
More user-friendly interface with Color?
Final Cut Pro....well, I can't think of anything with FCP. I think it's just as good, if not better than, Premiere.
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Everything integrated into one app with multiple "rooms", no more send-to.
Open architecture with media files like every other platform, get away from the antiquated quicktime structure.
Better media management
Better media management
Better media management
Oh, did I say that 3 times?
That's because Apple has the worst media management.
Better trimming tools.
Screw Motion, it can't do a 1/3 of what AE can do, so they can kill that like they killed Title Motion.
And while some of the editing tools are better than Premiere, Premiere with the Mercury Engine and it's open architecture with media blows FCPro out of the water easily.

That's it for now off of the top of my head, but I can certainly think of more.
 
mcgeedigital said:
Everything integrated into one app with multiple "rooms", no more send-to.
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How is that any different than CS5's workflow? Do something in Premiere --> Export to After Effects/Photoshop --> Back to Premiere --> Export to Encore.
And wouldn't one application with so many functions be too much for most systems to handle?


I agree with you about Motion. I think it should be dropped out of the suite and maybe come standard with Macs like Garage Band and iMovie. It's not even competitive with AE.

What is wrong with Apple's media management? In what sense do you mean that?
 
Mike@AF said:
2. Blu-ray..... Not going to happen. Jobs said it's not necessary and quite frankly it's really not. Blu-ray is dead, people just don't know it yet. Streaming is the future and Apple won't spend money or time or resources on something it knows is going to go the way of the dinosaurs in the next couple of years.
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In two years BD will cease to exist? Wanna put a case of beer on that? :D

A couple of months ago it was projected that Blu-ray player sales would hit 25 million worldwide by the end of 2010. That's 80% over '09. Jobs doesn't want to support Blu-ray because it's competition to the iTMS, IMO. Same reason why AppleTV lacks DVR functionality. I'm not sure why so many people have this as an either/or scenario. Both streaming and physical media can co-exist. They aren't mutually exclusive in any way. I feel like I'm in '99 again when people we predicting that the internet would kill the CD and major labels. Well, it's a nearly 2011 and the major music labels are still around and CDs still put up better numbers than legal downloads/streams (although that's projected to change in the next couple of years).

IMO streaming is only the future when broadband becomes fast enough to support a house hold of heavy internet users (i.e. casual web surfing, plus a couple high quality video streams plus online gaming all going concurrently) , ubiquitous enough that dang near everyone has access to it, inexpensive enough that dang near everyone can afford it, and reliable enough that service interruptions are more rare than hen's teeth.


-Andrew
 
Mark Harris said:
Unfortunately, there are a number of things that might converge to kill Apple computers for me. Notably the fact that Apple is canceling support for Java. I think in large part due to Oracle's mishandling (or maybe handling exactly according to plan) of the community process. I do a lot of work in Java, and was very excited to get a UNIX machine with nice UI to work on. However, it'd really hard for me to see going back to Win. Maybe for editing. I agree that the FCP suite is probably going by way of the dodo. No money in it for them. For work, I will likely go to Ubuntu. I can do just about all of my software dev on Linux. Keep an apple box for iPhone dev. Then maybe go to Adobe for post...but, that's all for another thread.
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Apple is only no longer including Java with OS X. You'll just need to install it separately. They stated they're doing it that way in order for Java on Mac to get updates in a more timely manner.

Steve Jobs has stated that FCP is not dead and a big update is coming in 2011.
 
Zak Forsman said:
I have 5.1 streaming from Netflix Watch Instantly now on my PS3. And the 1080p image quality, after ugrading my DSL from AT&T to the fastest they offered, definitely surpasses DirecTV (with the exception of maybe the first 10 seconds. This isn't true for every title, mind you, because they haven't all been encoded for 5.1 and 1080p. But when they have, they sing.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/14/netflix-on-ps3-goes-disc-free-gets-1080i-streaming-and-5-1-surr/
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Ahhh, now this is new. Maybe time to get a PS3.
 
adkimery said:
In two years BD will cease to exist? Wanna put a case of beer on that? :D

A couple of months ago it was projected that Blu-ray player sales would hit 25 million worldwide by the end of 2010. That's 80% over '09. Jobs doesn't want to support Blu-ray because it's competition to the iTMS, IMO. Same reason why AppleTV lacks DVR functionality. I'm not sure why so many people have this as an either/or scenario. Both streaming and physical media can co-exist. They aren't mutually exclusive in any way. I feel like I'm in '99 again when people we predicting that the internet would kill the CD and major labels. Well, it's a nearly 2011 and the major music labels are still around and CDs still put up better numbers than legal downloads/streams (although that's projected to change in the next couple of years).

IMO streaming is only the future when broadband becomes fast enough to support a house hold of heavy internet users (i.e. casual web surfing, plus a couple high quality video streams plus online gaming all going concurrently) , ubiquitous enough that dang near everyone has access to it, inexpensive enough that dang near everyone can afford it, and reliable enough that service interruptions are more rare than hen's teeth.


-Andrew
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I was probably exaggerating a little about the "couple year" part, but I still am confident that BD will go away sooner than you think. Even the studios are concerned about BD sales being lower than they're expectations and that why they started delaying rental versions and creating rental versions with less features. Streaming is the future, whether it's a couple years or several years.

I doubt Apple is avoiding supporting BD because they think they'll lose money on iTunes. Most people don't watching movies on their computers. They put the BD in a BD player and play it on their TV. So Apple doesn't want to support BD because they don't want to invest in a format that's not going to be around that long, especially when the licensing fees from Sony are as high as they are. There's other ways to get BD support on a Mac, so there's really no reason for Apple to do it themselves.
 
If there were some type of OSX shell/skin to slap onto Windows 7 that imitated OSX down to a "T" I'd be a happy man. I miss OSX more than I miss everything else.
 
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