So you know i bought it...as i bought from them many times before.
Anyone here planning on getting the C100?
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So you know i bought it...as i bought from them many times before.
Matt Turner
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As @StMad said, Lemac has a special introductory price of AU$6660 including GST, so AU$6055 excluding GST. The first batch of stock is very limited though. That's a lot better than the initial price estimates of around US$8K.
http://www.lemac.com.au/Products/CanonEOSC100.aspx
They have listed an estimated delivery date of mid-November, which if true must mean there are some in the country now ready to go, but everywhere else I have seen says end of November, week after Thanksgiving in the USA.
Noel, have you heard for sure it has arrived?
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All prices Ive quoted are RRP. The C300 sells for that so, good to see the actual sale price on the C100 a bit less.
Matt I can only confirm this - 35 units have been shipped to authorised resellers. Next batch is end of Nov.
samsara
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people expecting the same image quality or the same elements from the C300 on the C100
will be very dessapointed
you get what you pay for....
LCD: 4", 1.23 Mp
EVF: 0.52"
Compression:8-bit MPEG-2 Long GOP
Color Space:4:2:2
Recording Formats: 50 Mb/s
LCD: 3.5", 920k dots
EVF: 0.24" and FIXED !!!
video: avchd 24 Mbps : 1920 x 1080 at 60i
but you better watch
https://vimeo.com/49083326
or better check for yourself :thumbsup:
will be very dessapointed
you get what you pay for....
LCD: 4", 1.23 Mp
EVF: 0.52"
Compression:8-bit MPEG-2 Long GOP
Color Space:4:2:2
Recording Formats: 50 Mb/s
LCD: 3.5", 920k dots
EVF: 0.24" and FIXED !!!
video: avchd 24 Mbps : 1920 x 1080 at 60i
but you better watch
https://vimeo.com/49083326
or better check for yourself :thumbsup:
philiplipetz
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Yes, we do because Canon has assured us that the HDMI out feed is identical to the C300.
samsara
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If IQ out of the HDMI is identical to the C300 they will sell many....
...but you have to think also that add an external recorder and a external EVF means
add cost (+2000+++) ad a RIG (+-2000) and you loose the most attractive point of the "C" cameras: minimalism
we will see ;-)
...but you have to think also that add an external recorder and a external EVF means
add cost (+2000+++) ad a RIG (+-2000) and you loose the most attractive point of the "C" cameras: minimalism
we will see ;-)
A legitimate point, but now that the Blackmagic Shuttle does ProRes for $325, I think that will be a fine, cheap option to pair with the C100. Not sure that you need an EVF or $2k rig for it either. The biggest downside for me is lack of a 720p60 mode.
I have to decide if the C100 is a big enough improvement over my FS100 to justify moving to a new platform. I have E-mount and A-mount lenses, I'd have to buy all new Canon lenses. The codec on the FS is slightly better. I like the ND filters on the C100. Not sure, but I believe the ergonomics on the C100 are better for handheld work. The FS wins easily on the EVF, except when the camera is mounted high on a tripod (sometimes it sucks to be short). Seriously, a .24" fixed EVF? Canon, what were you thinking??
Neither camera has professional connections, so that's a wash.
Unless the image is much better coming from the C100, or it's clearly superior to handhold, I don't have a compelling enough reason to switch. Especially since the C100 is thousands more in price. For me, it would make more sense to move up to an FS700.
Neither camera has professional connections, so that's a wash.
Unless the image is much better coming from the C100, or it's clearly superior to handhold, I don't have a compelling enough reason to switch. Especially since the C100 is thousands more in price. For me, it would make more sense to move up to an FS700.
alex1
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So I went to a Canon seminar yesterday on the C100 and the C500, I also had a hands on with the C100 and I wanted to share my thoughts.
First the pros.
The main reason to get this camera is for its amazing sensor, I was blown away by it. The latitude, detail, very attractive film-like high ISO, blows any DSLR out of the water hands down.
The next reason is how easy I found the controls and handling to be compared to a DSLR. The C100 is made to shoot video and everything is set up with the videographer in mind. It is great for event, documentary and run and gun style shooting, easy to pick up out of your bag and start shooting right away.
Now the cons.
The codec. With such a powerful sensor, the AVCHD codec holds it back a little. Yes there is an external recorder option, but I hate external recorders. Not just the extra $1000+ more I have to spend on a recorder, but the less stuff hanging off the camera the better.
The price. Even at $6500, I find the price/performance lacking. For my type of work it makes much more sense to rent a C300 for a weekend instead of buying a C100 which I think will be outdated very soon. Its not like the XL1/XL2 days, when adding a "24p" option to a camera was a huge selling point. Todays consumers want at least 10 new upgrades to a camera for it to be worth it. Plus I think we all know that next year will be the "battle of the RAW prosumer cameras".
Conclusion: If I had money to burn and wanted something new I would get the C100 hands down. But from an investment view, I find it to be a horrible investment considering the options about to follow in the next year. I think this camera will be outdated faster than most people think and it is a shame because the sensor is so impressive in this camera.
First the pros.
The main reason to get this camera is for its amazing sensor, I was blown away by it. The latitude, detail, very attractive film-like high ISO, blows any DSLR out of the water hands down.
The next reason is how easy I found the controls and handling to be compared to a DSLR. The C100 is made to shoot video and everything is set up with the videographer in mind. It is great for event, documentary and run and gun style shooting, easy to pick up out of your bag and start shooting right away.
Now the cons.
The codec. With such a powerful sensor, the AVCHD codec holds it back a little. Yes there is an external recorder option, but I hate external recorders. Not just the extra $1000+ more I have to spend on a recorder, but the less stuff hanging off the camera the better.
The price. Even at $6500, I find the price/performance lacking. For my type of work it makes much more sense to rent a C300 for a weekend instead of buying a C100 which I think will be outdated very soon. Its not like the XL1/XL2 days, when adding a "24p" option to a camera was a huge selling point. Todays consumers want at least 10 new upgrades to a camera for it to be worth it. Plus I think we all know that next year will be the "battle of the RAW prosumer cameras".
Conclusion: If I had money to burn and wanted something new I would get the C100 hands down. But from an investment view, I find it to be a horrible investment considering the options about to follow in the next year. I think this camera will be outdated faster than most people think and it is a shame because the sensor is so impressive in this camera.
I think that's the deal with almost all the new cameras right now. The field is changing so fast that cameras simply aren't an investment anymore. only 4k RAW shooting is future-proof, in my opinion. Everything else needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Alex1, have you SEEN the AVCHD footage from the C100, or are you just assuming this will be a CON based on specs? I've seen some comparisons of AVCHD footage to higher bitrate stuff from other cameras, and I think it's possible the internal C100 footage could hold up pretty well.
alex1
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Yes, the footage on the C100 looks great!
But considering the Canon XF100 which is less than $3000 and can shoot 50Mbps 4:2:2 straight to CF and the C100 uses the 24Mbps 4:2:0 codec found in Canon's $250 consumer cameras...this for me seems out dated compared to the rest of the camera.
This is why I was so surprised. So much of the C100 is amazing, but in some areas fall very short, not just to other camera brands but compared to some of the other Canon prosumer cameras.
Ive had the 5DII for 4 years and it held up very well compared to most cameras in that range. I just cant see the C100 being that futureproof of a camera in the next 4 years, especially since it is double the price compared to the 5DII when it was launched!
This is just my opinion.
alex1
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Exactly.
It isnt that all of us want RAW right now, but I think we all want the RAW option in a camera now. As computers and storage get vastly cheaper, in 2-3 years I can see most people shooting some sort of RAW, either compressed or uncompressed.
I also got to play around with the C500 and I think it will still be an amazing camera in 10 years. It takes full advantage of the amazing new sensor and gives so many options not only for RAW but for 2K, HD, etc. The only downside is of course the price. The C100 on the other hand has the same amazing sensor, but is compiled with too many out dated elements to really be a worthy investment in the next couple of years. Again this is just my opinion.
FrameFarmMedia
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There is no such thing as 'Future Proof'. Buy what meets your shooting needs now and what you can pay off in gigs over the next year or two.
If Canon put the 50mb/s MXF codec into the C100 no one would have much of a reason to spend $8K more for a C300.
philiplipetz
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It is not clear if the BM Shuttle starts and stops on signals sent over HDMI from the C100. I cannot find it on their spec sheet but someone posted a screen shot of a menu item toggling start-stop signal recognition, but is it implemented? critical since I will not always have time to start two devices to record.
...So what's about to follow in the next year at this price point?
I went to a C100 seminar in Toronto on Thursday, and overall I am very impressed by what I see.
Having worked with AVCHD footage for the past 4 years, I don't see many drawbacks to it, especially if you can use an external recorder to shoot 4:2:2 color when you need it.
From what I saw at the seminar, the C100 is using the same sensor and same image processing chip as the C300, so the actual image recorded will be first rate.
I can't think of any other camera at this price point that has the following features:
- Has a Super35 Sensor
- No optical low-pas filter ( very sharp images )
- Produces a full resolution 1080 HD image
- Maintains 12 stops of dynamic range right up to the maximum 20,000 ISO speed
- Runs for 4+ hours on one battery
...The only minor drawbacks for me are:
- You have to use an external recorder for 4:2:2 color ( not a big deal )
- The EVF is very tiny ( does have a nice image)
- It ONLY shoots 1080 HD at 24p/25p/30p ( NO 60fps, and NO 720p )
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