Any EX1 regrets?

Happy Hopping said:
Since I don't own the 170/200 from Panasonic, is the 170/200 also a Bayer-pattern single imager camera?

As to what you said from the above, what about the frame rate? I'm concern about the frame rate. The lower res. 720p is at 60 frames / sec. The sony is only 30 frames/sec. at 19x10. So to me, RED 1 advantage would be the 60 frames/sec or higher if RED 1 can do 19x10 at 60 frames/s
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the 170/200 are 3 chip ccd cams.

as of now, the red one does up to 120fps at 2k which is slightly larger than 1080p.

at 4k it does up to 30fps.
 
cheezweezl said:
that is a very old thread. they expected a 10% improvement in builds 13 and 14. the current build is 16. these old examples aren't really relevant anymore...
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Huh???

CMOS artifacts are directly associated with the device itself, unless RED changed the sensor in the RED ONE (which they have not yet, but will offer the new sensor for $$ in the near future), the artifacts are no better with the latest builds.
If removing all CMOS artifacts were a simple software tweak, none of these cameras would have these issues.

I've seen build 16 side by side to the EX1. Does the RED have a better image than the EX1, yes it does. But, the CMOS artifacts are not that different.

This should all change when RED releases their new sensor.
 
Go to Abel Cinetech. You can see the camera on a variety of monitors, handhold it, etc. It's a real camera house.

TheMusician said:
Stevet, I was recently at B&H in New York to check everything out and I would have to say that I was pretty disappointed by their service. They had none of the tripods on the floor that I was interested in (Cartoni Focus, Sachtler FSB-6, Vinten Vision 3, Gitzo 1380, Miller DS20) When I asked to pick up the EX1 to see how it felt handheld and how I delt with the ergonomics, they told me that it was locked down and they had no way to release it. 90% of the cameras were all in a bin using the same Sony monitors, but the EX1 was set alone hooked up to a cheap monitor of a different brand that people had obviously adjusted as well as dialing in absurd picture profiles. So it was very difficult to compare the look of the EX1 to the HVX200a. From what I saw that day, even the XH-A1 (which is a fine camera) looked a ton better than the EX1. And to cap it off, the store employees were not supportive of the camera at all saying that they would prefer almost any other camera to the EX1.

I would love to get a second look to convince myself that the EX1 would work for me, but I live in Indianapolis and there is nobody here who sells it on a showroom floor. Anybody know of anyplace close to Indianapolis? Any EX1 owners in Indianapolis?
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cheezweezl said:
this is a joke right? ex1 over red? that is silly.
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Here is an article on real world tests and comparisons of the EX1, Red One and F23.

http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/awilt/story/three_three_letter_cameras_ex1_f23_red/

Go to page 3 for the charts. Read the captions because some were shot at half size to see if it really went above 1000 line pairs and most charts only go that high.

The Red One tested out at ~2.5k resolution. Thats about 25-30% higher resolution than the EX1. Its noticable, but not that noticable. Its up to you to decide if the extra hoops are worth it.

A story was never told by its level of resolvable details. :)

The EX1 did very, very well. A debayer filter does cut a lot of resolution but there are a lot of variables and the EX1 has no debayer filter.
 
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Barry_Green said:
That's an old test; Adam re-tested and verified the Red One at 3.2k res.
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That was also under the old color science too so an update would be good. Do you have a link to it?

I think Adam's point though was that you don't get 4k resolution out of the Red. No doubt the Red still has plenty more resolution than the EX1.

For me the important part was that the EX1 tested right up there at the Nyquest limit for a 1.9k camera. It was also interesting in the comments that the apparent resolution above the Nyquest limit for the EX1 and F23 was simply moire (shades of 7D behavior at a higher level.)

I just watched Public Enemies last night and the EX1 footage cut in seamlessly.
 
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Duke M. said:
I think Adam's point though was that you don't get 4k resolution out of the Red.
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Yes, that's a long-established fact, even Red themselves don't claim 4K of resolution. They say it's 3.2k. That's part of the reason why the Red Epic was introduced with a 5K mode, so that the de-bayered final product would be 4k.
 
Do you have that link to the subsequent test? Always hoping to expand my knowledge. I looked on that site and couldn't find it.
 
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