ANONYMOUS - Anthem78/CineMark

I really dug this one. I thought it was well executed, and I thought the cinematography and effects were very well done. This has already been mentioned, but some shots could use some trimming.

I think the first shot is held too long. I would cut it at sixteen or seventeen seconds. You hold onto it until 20-21 seconds into the film, much too long. I really like the second shot, bullets floating in the air. It's cool.

I like the FBI profiles, but I think you could cast/direct the profiles better. If you look at FBI profiles of murderers/rapists/general scum of the society the portraits tend to look pretty scary. It's like they all have that anti-social personality stare. Not all of your portraits have that. The first portrait has that. I know it's nitpicky, but I like to err on the side of making little details believable.

I love the bullet removal shot. Very very realistic. As already mentioned, it's too long, but a great shot. I think you could jump cut it from him inserting the tweezers to the bullet removal and then the bullet dropped into the tray.

The news footage was already brought up. I think you should reshoot it as an interview between a reporter and the cop. It wouldn't be hard to have the reporter grill the cop about details and have him flustered. The reporter asks about the bullets found at the scene, and the cop could give the standard answer of "no comment at this time."

I think the last part of VO dialogue could use some work. This was already brought up, but this piece is like a trailer. It's a great setup to a longer thriller. As far as tweaking the voiceover I would work on the language. To my ear some of the lines are weak. The line, "Basically I capture the FBI's criminals for the money." stuck out. I think you need to figure out a larger plot and redo the VO. At this point the government is responsible for the brother and father's death. You've made the enemy abstract, the government. The hero can't focus his revenge on an abstract. If you make the focus a person, a big wig in the FBI or the government, you give the hero a specific purpose.

And, here's a story paradox I'm not sure you have the answer to. He's killing people on the FBI's most wanted list for money, but he's anonymous. How does he collect the payment? I don't think you need to reshoot to fix this paradox, you just need to rewrite the VO to focus the revenge and give the story a specific direction. Kill Bill is about Kiddo's search for Bill. Anonymous needs a similar specific goal. It could be a specific former OPs special forces big whig who tried to dissect the hero's brother and father to find out how they tick.

I really enjoyed this and the details, atmosphere, and effects were top notch. I hope you keep working on this, it's got potential to be a very cool cloak and dagger thriller. :kali:
 
Isaac_Brody said:
I like the FBI profiles, but I think you could cast/direct the profiles better. If you look at FBI profiles of murderers/rapists/general scum of the society the portraits tend to look pretty scary. It's like they all have that anti-social personality stare. Not all of your portraits have that. The first portrait has that. I know it's nitpicky, but I like to err on the side of making little details believable.
This is actually the only "mistake" in the short. At the beginning I thought it was a sort of parody... :huh:

Isaac_Brody said:
I love the bullet removal shot. Very very realistic. As already mentioned, it's too long, but a great shot.
I don't know why all you guys think like that... It is really difficult to look at that scene, and it is in my opinion its strenght
 
Great job guys. This is great for a first short. I am in the same boat. Isn't getting your first short in the can an amazing experience? I loved doing it and have a jones to dive into the next one. But first I have to take a little time to recharge and give all the other people in this contest a thorough viewing and comments.

I really liked the feel of this one. The cinematography was very tight and the camerwork was also very good. I won't get too much into already well trod areas but the v.o. needs work, but mainly in terms of tightening up the story. Should be easy enough. The visuals are great. I just think you need to rewrite the lines to make it pop ore and clear up some issues. Like Isaac mentioned, the government line and getting money from them to fight them was confusing. I would also cut the line, or change it where you say "this boring house." maybe change it to "this boring life?" The line I did like a lot was the wish I could feel something right before he pulls out the bullet. That was great by the way (and yes I agree, as most have mentioned, a tad too long).

Onto the things I really liked. The opening sequence was very good. I really liked the sound design through this whole sequence. Also liked the end title going from blurred to clear, but hazy and then poof! he's gone. Was that after effects smoke? Looked kinda real to me.

Lastly, I think in general it is better to show than to tell. I know the v.o. is there to explain what is going on, but I would cut down the v.o. It is obviously neccessary to the story as it is shot, but I think it could be distilled. And as for the last shot of a close up on Anonymous before the credits I would have him blink only once bfore going to black.

Nice work guys. Look forward to your next one. Are you planning on entering Horrorfest?

Alex
 
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For me, Anonymous is the best of the Herofest films. Really well shot. The music is great. A well written script. I really liked it. Shows a lot of control over your craft.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed your film. I thought the cinematography was top notch and the effects (especially the wound) were superb. I also thought the twist ending was great. I can't wait to see more from you.

Chris
 
Isaac_Brody said:
I like the FBI profiles, but I think you could cast/direct the profiles better.

I agree...that was something that stuck out to me...your friends are too clean cut. You need trashier friends.
 
Well done, great job!

I really liked your visuals. I didn't like the beginning, felt that your criminals looked too normal. Once you got going I enjoyed it. Loved the wound. Would have liked
to see the ECU when bullet was being taken out. Also the first and last shots looked amazing, the last shot rang true SuperHero.

Good job. Slow for me at the start but you got my attention.

A truly spiffing short for your first outing.
J.p.
 
I don't know where to start - my G5 crapped out on me Tuesday (wouldn't even start - $1200 to replace the logic board and power supply - good thing it's still under warranty) so I'm way behind on reading and responding to these posts.

I'll try to cover what I can, in whatever order I can remember:

1. We do need dirtier friends. I agree. But we used what we had available.

2. Thank you for the specific feedback on the voiceover, it's definetly something to keep in mind if we re-edit.

3.What did we do before this? Dream. We both got jobs as graphic designers while we were still in college, and it's been a good job, so we stayed. This was always what we wanted to get into, we've just finally jumped in. I wish it was sooner, but we're still relatively young.

4. As for the paradox, we discussed that when we were writing the film. How would an anonymous hero collect his money and still stay anonymous? This could be reworked, but our initial thinking was that he has an arangement with the FBI, like a numbered account in Zurich that they deposit his reward money into. As long as they keep up their end of the deal, he keeps up his.

5. The vengeance can be a lot to get into. Maybe a sequel one day...

6. I know the length of the bullet shot has been beaten to death, but it is what is. If it makes you uncomfortable (which wasn't the objective), try taking a bullet out of your arm. It may take a while.
But I think what it really came down to was the limited number of takes we did of this shot, and it really took this long to extract the bullet – as my brother stated in an earlier post, we cut a bullet in half and wedge it into the prosthetic. It honestly took this long to get it out.

7. Alex, yes wrapping your first short is an amazing feeling. The wheels are already turning for what to do next...

8. Thanks for the kind words Barry. That means a lot coming from you. Coming from everybody really. To get this sort of response is more than I ever hoped for.

I'll try to cover more points later. I'm sure I missed something. Anyway, thank you all so much. And I love the honest criticism - it only makes you better.
 
And I say we so much because we're twins. And don't ask, all the shots of the hero are my brother, Mark. My only cameo is laying in the road at the beginning. No stunt doubles.
 
I'm late to this party, so I can't add much. Maybe this was said earlier, but the bullet extraction scene could've used a CU insert of the guy's face or something to help cut down on the time it took.

Anyways, the lighting and composition were standouts. For a first film, this was SOLID. Great job, fellas.
 
You guys rocked it, the cinematography, acting, dialog, everything was tip-top notch.

I don't really have any critisisms other than that the cop's acting was pretty hammy.

Very cinematic... I think I'll go watch it again right now.

EDIT: The only other thing that I can think of is the shot where he is pulling the bullet out. I realize that you were going for the effect of us feeling his pain, but it didn't look realistic enough to really pull that off (IMO). I kept seeing where the prosthetic (or whatever you used) ended and where his arm began.
 
This rec'd among the highest scores on my sheet for FX and lighting. Absolutely top notch. Can't believe this is your guys' first film. Can't wait to see more from you.

That said, the VO didn't work for me (sound wise, it was too close to the mic, or not mixed well in post), and I also couldn't stand the news cast.

Good music too, and a KILLER custom made mask. Great job guys.
 
TC: thanks for the good words. we may try to reshoot the news if we have time. sorry the wound didn't do it for you.

Envision: thanks so much for the good marks in FX and lighting. that's awesome to hear. as said, this was our first time recording sound, so that is something we're working on. we'll get it right...

thanks for the comment about the music also. that worked out great. i was working on the soundtrack, and my friend (the 4th FBI most wanted at the beginning) asked how everything was going. after some discussion about the soundtrack, he gave me a demo CD from his future brother-in-law's band. with some tweaking, such as extending the bassline, it fit almost perfectly. so that was cool.

it's good to hear a comment on the mask. we worked so hard on that thing. my only gripe is that i couldn't get it closer around my eyes, but it worked great. lot's of epoxy and sanding. LOT's of work.


So thank you everybody. This is so exciting.

I don't know if we'll be able to enter Horrorfest, but we'll see what we can do.


As far as this being our first film —*i guess this is why we waited so long. We've always wanted to make movies, but things were just never in place. As we did some freelance design work it started to include photography, and we decided to buy some ARRI tungsten's instead of standard flashes, because we knew we wanted to do movies. In the beginning of February we finally ordered our DVX100b, and then we saw the HeroFest posting, and we went to work.
I think one thing that's helped us is our graphic design background. It has really helped us with composition and also typography.
The other thing is that we of course LOVE movies. We study movies: how was that lit, where were the lights coming from, why did that shot look so good, etc.. Every movie is a continuing education.
 
fantastic job guys :) a few questions

in the mantle scene as your panning through the family portrits and whatnot, is that post-added-vignetting? or from the adapter?

also - were the "mug" shots at the beginning shot without your adapter?

great framing - i always have had issues with people who mask their shots down to 16x9 or some smaller ratio - becuase it "feels" cropped - even though the frame is still set properly...i did not however, notice this in yours (minus the eyes missing in the shot with the chair - i just assumed this was artistic liberty :) )

i really enjoyed this, and secretly i hope florida somehow gets moved next to texas : D

robert
 
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Excellent stuff! I'm currently saving for a DVX100 and this demonstration of excellence is making me impatient.

There is one minor thing I noticed;
When Anonymous is in the chair taking the stuff out of the drawer his right side is well lit by the lamp and his left in the shadow.
When you cut to the arm close-up I think it is a little too well lit. Also in terms of practicality most people would have moved their arm to under the light to see better - unless he has super-vision too!

I really hope to see more stuff from you guys as I loved the look of this short.

Cheers
Simes
 
Robert Pottorff said:
fantastic job guys :) a few questions

in the mantle scene as your panning through the family portrits and whatnot, is that post-added-vignetting? or from the adapter?

also - were the "mug" shots at the beginning shot without your adapter?

great framing - i always have had issues with people who mask their shots down to 16x9 or some smaller ratio - becuase it "feels" cropped - even though the frame is still set properly...i did not however, notice this in yours (minus the eyes missing in the shot with the chair - i just assumed this was artistic liberty :) )

i really enjoyed this, and secretly i hope florida somehow gets moved next to texas : D

robert

Thanks for the kind words Robert. To answer your questions:

The vignetting on the mantle is from the adapter.
Thanks for the comments on the framing. We tried hard to get that right. And regarding the eyes being cropped out in the chair - I am going to recrop that when I re-edit.
And I'd love to be closer to Texas too. Maybe the next hurricane will blow us over there. :)

I'm glad you enjoyed our film.
 
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