FS7: Angenieux EZ 30-90 T2 vs Zeiss 21-100 T2.9-3.9

Im using FF alot shooting docs. Find it one of the few things I cant live without when shooting stills glass without bigger throws. Got it set up so that the wheel sits closely to a left handle so I reach it while keeping the camera firmly lifted with both arms in the same height. So it relieves my right arm, makes the camera more stable and I dont get that jerky focus. Three in one :)
 
Ben Scott said:
Just because you don't have an AC, you still have a follow focus, right? You're not adjusting focus with your hand on the lens are you?
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Yes Iam.. 180 degrees on my lens .. easy.. but even with a FF.. doing it yourself from behind the wheel..unlike where an AC would be.. some like a 270 degree travel you cant do it..

Im specifically referring to these new zooms here.. for run and gun type shoots.. they seem to be priced for owner ops.. Im not saying that actual FF are BS.. just with a long focus travel its also very hard to work with.. if your doing it for your self.. as the song goes.. because your wrist is not where a AC,s would be..
 
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JPNola said:
I came up in ENG. 20+ years of having my left hand on the lens. That is what was home for me. The left hand has to be able to perform focus, zoom, and iris control. When on a tripod on ENG lenses I ride iris with my thumb, use my forefinger and middle finger to activate the servo zoom, and use my ring & pinky fingers to ride focus. ( I did that over the weekend while doing live shots from a tripod. My right hand on the handle of the tripod. ) Or, when using manual zoom, I have one finger on the iris ring, another finger on the zoom ring, and two fingers on the focus ring.
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Absolutely & completely understand this - since it's exactly how I used to shoot... 15 - 20 years ago. :Drogar-Shock(DBG):
And I aspired to be one the NFL films dude while shooting local high school highlights too. Perhaps I'm getting too old & slow for description of your gonzo-style shooting. But really enjoyed that auto-tune remix!
 
Donny 123 said:
Yes Iam.. 180 degrees on my lens .. easy.. but even with a FF.. doing it yourself from behind the wheel..unlike where an AC would be.. some like a 270 degree travel you cant do it..

Im specifically referring to these new zooms here.. for run and gun type shoots.. they seem to be priced for owner ops.. Im not saying that actual FF are BS.. just with a long focus travel its also very hard to work with.. if your doing it for your self.. as the song goes.. because your wrist is not where a AC,s would be..
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Most decent follow focuses allow for a larger gear to be installed for lenses with longer throws. Or, I have a speed crank in the ff
 
Ben Scott said:
Most decent follow focuses allow for a larger gear to be installed for lenses with longer throws. Or, I have a speed crank in the ff
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Oh ok didnt know that.. that would make alot of sense.. and be easier than by hand.. as the actress said to the bishop..
 
How do you ride iris while also operating a follow focus?

Looking at a setup like the one pictured below, it seems it would be difficult to reach the iris ring while also operating the follow focus. And what about performing a manual zoom and simultaneously performing the focus necessitated by the zooming of a lens that isn't par focal? Even if not doing a zoom shot and only changing focal length, one needs to be able to refocus quickly. It looks as if the follow focus would necessitate a lot of back and forth from lens to ff wheel and would slow down the focusing process in particular.


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How would you focus and zoom at the same time with your hand on the lens?

Why would I be focusing and adjusting the iris at the same time?

This really isn't an issue.

My hand isn't non stop on the focus wheel unless I know it should be for what's happening next.
 
JP - I can almost predict your response - based upon those NFL film stills earlier. (but I'll let you go ahead - don't want to spoil your fun )
I just wanted to jump in before you posted to say... a bit back on topic... after reading more about these Angie zooms.... I'm totally fired up to try them both out. Seems to hit many many check boxes if the IQ is "close enough".
Add the Mov servo wireless unit (and an AC) - and now you can zoom, adjust iris & focus while also panning & tilting all at the same time. Makes me both nauseous and excited to try out.
 
I dont see these lenses as "vs" each other.

the two zooms seem well equipped to replace a bag of primes and simplify dramatic/corporate structures shoots in a very appealing manner

the single zoom seems to be for RnG content gathering and dubiously specced for that purpose
 
morgan_moore said:
the two zooms seem well equipped to replace a bag of primes and simplify dramatic/corporate structures shoots in a very appealing manner
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The EZ 30-90 t2 interests me as an alternative to getting a set of the sigma cine primes (24,35,50,85) and should be of similar price. Having my fav focal lengths in one lens is appealling and a lot more affordable and faster than Canons 30-105 cine zoom.


morgan_moore said:
the single zoom seems to be for RnG content gathering and dubiously specced for that purpose
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If I was doing pure coverage R&G and ENG that new Sony 18-110 F4 would look pretty appealing.
 
I think they all seem brilliant. I don't think any of them are for ENG work although I'd not be surprised to see them pop up in some docs.
 
I like how we all refuse to accept other people have other ways of working :)

But yeah, JP your's is wrong.

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So are most of you not doing one man band or run and gun? Therefore, as someone indicated, you use a zoom as multiple primes?

I do live events where I have to zoom out live to a wide of the audience. So I am not buying anything that is not constant maximum aperture. I am surprised that many of you would even consider the Zeiss. Dissapointed in them for not having a constant maximum aperture. I could live with f4 on a full frame Nikon mount zoom through the Metabones. As I am now with the 24-105 Sigma.

As other have mentioned, I also shoot stills (amaturely so far) and am sticking with full frame Nikon mount or adaptable lenses. I have the 18-105 Sony that I bought for the live event work and am not really interested in any other S35 E mount lenses.

BTW, due to the Milvus discussion I bought a used 85mm/1.4 ZF.2 and am liking it a lot. Y'all making me spend money;-)

Thanks for the really good discussion,
Robert
 
I probably zoom in-shot maybe once or twice every couple of years. It's not my bag. And I'd say about 70% of my work is 1 or 2-man band and RnG. Clearly (like the example you gave) there are instances where you need to zoom but I don't really get that sort of work these days.

Think of the Zeiss as a T3.9 lens and it is constant aperture plus a little treat on the wide end if you need it. As Zeiss and many other people have said, most zooms ramp but only Zeiss are honest about it, and it is less than a stop from end to end. And are you genuinely going to be going from 21 to 100 all the time?
 
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