They also just replied that he was using factory scene 5
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AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder
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They also just replied that he was using factory scene 5
slidemaster
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The park setting showed some very nice color.
Mountain Wolf Films
Member
The FS5 uses SD cards just like the DVX200. The one thing I really don't understand about the DVX200 is the fact that they didn't include 10 bit 4:2:2 internally in at least 1080p, which the FS5 CAN do.
Mountain Wolf Films
Member
Wow...When you spend over $4000 on a camera, this is not something that should even cross your mind. That is the core issue with this camera. At this price point, the DVX200 should be miles better than a Mark III in terms of noise and overall image quality...Unfortunately, I'm going to send mine back and give the FS5 a shot. I really shouldn't have jumped the gun on this purchase. The firmware update didn't really make that much of a notable difference. Mad respect to everything that Barry has done to get the DVX200 to at least somewhat match the GH4, but honestly, I didn't buy this camera to have it look like a GH4. If anything, it should inherently out-preform a GH4 in terms of image quality. This is essentially a repeat of the same issues we had with the AF100 when comparing it with the GH2 a few years back...
Kalevi Qvick
New member
Got one unit few days ago
FOCUS RING
Dragging noise when using with left hand. No noise when operating with right hand and right side of the camera. Weird. Anybody else?
WHITE BALANCE
I have hmc81 hmc40 and ac90. When I take white balance with those they are very natural and comparable each other. DVX200 is from other planet - unnatural and bluish. Also tested another dvx200 and wb was very different compared to old panasonics. All tests done in factory settings and scenefile1. Weird.
Well there is great color correction settings in menu but why I (why not pana engineer) should do the calibration.
Has anybody tested two units? Are they comparable in colors or are the units "color individuals"?
FOCUS RING
Dragging noise when using with left hand. No noise when operating with right hand and right side of the camera. Weird. Anybody else?
WHITE BALANCE
I have hmc81 hmc40 and ac90. When I take white balance with those they are very natural and comparable each other. DVX200 is from other planet - unnatural and bluish. Also tested another dvx200 and wb was very different compared to old panasonics. All tests done in factory settings and scenefile1. Weird.
Well there is great color correction settings in menu but why I (why not pana engineer) should do the calibration.
Has anybody tested two units? Are they comparable in colors or are the units "color individuals"?
Have up updated to the latest version firmware 1.25? More importantly have you loaded in Barry Green's scene file with 6 new scenes? There seems to be a difference in color in mine since doing both of those. All of this information can be found in posts above if you have any questions about doing both of those things.
Kalevi Qvick
New member
I have 1.25 already. I will try Barry's scenefile. I suppose the file is GH4-like but the natural scene might be comparable to hmc series scene file 1.
Yes. The focus ring is touching the part between focus and zoom ring in left side, and make noise (rub).
Kalevi Qvick
New member
I uploaded the Barry's file and the scene file 1 "natural" seem to be pretty close to the basic settings in ag-hmc 40 and 81. Thank you! This saves lot of time.
I checked the color correction tuning Barry has to had made and it seems that the factory settings in DVX200 is way out of what I have used to call natural look (and what panasonic concerned it to be at least most of their other models).
Thank you.
Kalevi Qvick
New member
Have you thought to send your unit to warranty service? Maybe someone did it already? Did they fix it?
I am afraid that the focus ring may wear out and produce dirt (aluminum or plastic) inside the ring.
I sent the camera in service one week ago.
If you put your finger on the focus ring (left side) and pull it from the front to the back of the camera, you can hear the problem. The problem is outside the ring.
I have the same problem and sent it back to the dealer, because I have a call to the Tech Support of Panasonic Europe and
they told me, a repair in Europe is not possible, the cam must send to Japan, waiting over 1 month of coming back!
My cam was sold in Germany in November, Seriel-No 0548.
And I have another defect: when I use the motorzoom at full speed to the tele-position -167mm, the zoom-servo is running at full speed up to the end and stops,
that is okay. When I go full speed to the ww-position 12,7mm, near the end the servo-motor reduce at last the speed and then stops with a noise like a bird.
Without using the zoom (but he is still near 12,7mm-position) when I turn clockwise the cam near 45 degrees this noise may be listen too.
When this noise occurs the first time I supposed the ventilator of the cam would become defect next time. Not until later I find the relation with the zoom-position
of 12,7mm. When zoom-position is more than 12,7mm form 14mm on, no noise any more. Have a look to your cam and test it what I have told.
I sent it back to dealer for exchange my cam to a new cam without defects, because I don't want wait 1 month or more. He should test the new cam, b e f o r e he send it to me.
And now I'm waiting what happen.
they told me, a repair in Europe is not possible, the cam must send to Japan, waiting over 1 month of coming back!
My cam was sold in Germany in November, Seriel-No 0548.
And I have another defect: when I use the motorzoom at full speed to the tele-position -167mm, the zoom-servo is running at full speed up to the end and stops,
that is okay. When I go full speed to the ww-position 12,7mm, near the end the servo-motor reduce at last the speed and then stops with a noise like a bird.
Without using the zoom (but he is still near 12,7mm-position) when I turn clockwise the cam near 45 degrees this noise may be listen too.
When this noise occurs the first time I supposed the ventilator of the cam would become defect next time. Not until later I find the relation with the zoom-position
of 12,7mm. When zoom-position is more than 12,7mm form 14mm on, no noise any more. Have a look to your cam and test it what I have told.
I sent it back to dealer for exchange my cam to a new cam without defects, because I don't want wait 1 month or more. He should test the new cam, b e f o r e he send it to me.
And now I'm waiting what happen.
Martijnhiss
New member
This was ment to be a little test recording. It turns out into a small video for the local animal shelter
firmeware 1.25
scene file 1
1080 50p 100mb/s
some minor color tweeks in post for some shots
https://youtu.be/0o7Qy2qnpd4
firmeware 1.25
scene file 1
1080 50p 100mb/s
some minor color tweeks in post for some shots
https://youtu.be/0o7Qy2qnpd4
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DVX200 records conductor at VSO
DVX200 records conductor at VSO
HD version is here" https://vimeo.com/148010166
Here is a four minute clip made with the DVX200, with the latest firmware and Barry's Scene file 3 (for the GH4). This was recorded in AVCHD (I had special reasons for doing this) at 60fps, 500 iso, with careful attention to the waveform monitor. The conductor's bald head is very nearly white, but not quite. The waveform never went to 100% and most of the time was at around 80%. At the end, I wanted to show the entire orchestra, so I flipped the gain to high, which does result in some blow outs. I also did a careful white balance with a white disc on a music stand next tot he conductor before I started. I am very satisfied with the result except for the fact that there is not much midrange exposure. Would you think there should be? Should I haver raised the pedestal from -8 to 0?
I can see it is not there on the FCPX scopes. I tried increasing the midrange but it destroyed the look, so what you see here is completely unmodified except for the compression of uploading the pro res file to Vimeo. As i said, I am happy with he look as is. This clip seems to look best when played back through Apple Safari. It looks darker in Firefox. Audio was from the Panasonic shotgun mike attached to the microphone holder.
DVX200 records conductor at VSO
HD version is here" https://vimeo.com/148010166
Here is a four minute clip made with the DVX200, with the latest firmware and Barry's Scene file 3 (for the GH4). This was recorded in AVCHD (I had special reasons for doing this) at 60fps, 500 iso, with careful attention to the waveform monitor. The conductor's bald head is very nearly white, but not quite. The waveform never went to 100% and most of the time was at around 80%. At the end, I wanted to show the entire orchestra, so I flipped the gain to high, which does result in some blow outs. I also did a careful white balance with a white disc on a music stand next tot he conductor before I started. I am very satisfied with the result except for the fact that there is not much midrange exposure. Would you think there should be? Should I haver raised the pedestal from -8 to 0?
I can see it is not there on the FCPX scopes. I tried increasing the midrange but it destroyed the look, so what you see here is completely unmodified except for the compression of uploading the pro res file to Vimeo. As i said, I am happy with he look as is. This clip seems to look best when played back through Apple Safari. It looks darker in Firefox. Audio was from the Panasonic shotgun mike attached to the microphone holder.
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I'd say it looks pretty good viewing it on my old iPad2. There is probably something that can be slightly adjusted for those highlights like the top of the conductor's head and the sheet music near the end but I'm definitely not the one that can tell you what that might be. Going through Barry's scenes yesterday I noticed that one or two of them gave me a little blowout in the highlights after comparing a scene on the same subject. I saw that even with keeping the waveform around 80 on but one of them nearly eliminated it. I wouldn't say that it's necessarily Barry's intention but just something in one of the settings that might need a slight adjustment for our preferences or application. I'm about ready to put mine into production and if it wasn't for Barry's scenes it might still be sitting in my bag or possibly returned by now.
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Bassman2003
Veteran
Thanks for sharing. Couple of things I noticed while viewing on my computer screen playing from Vimeo:
The shutter speed looks high? This might be an internet/Vimeo thing but when the conductor is moving his hands it has a somewhat staccato feel. Don't know if that was what you where going for or not. I usually shoot 60p at 1/60th for things like dance or general human movement for smooth motion.
The mids to high blacks look crushed to me. The orchestra looks like they are performing during a power outage.
This looks very "DSLR" in my opinion and why we would want to by a DVX200 to rise above the look of that era. Opening up the gamma will create a more inviting look to the footage and allow you to lower the exposure for the highlights and not have the scene feel underexpeosed. (I don't mean the grey milky look either).
Imho, where video cameras true metal lies is how they handle the mids to high blacks. I call it an open gamma, but it is the range of tones that make rooms feel bright or dark with the same exposure. Pedestal is part of it but not all of it. Beware, computer screen are notorious for making blacks look darker than they really are. So it is tough to know what to trust when adjusting.
The shutter speed looks high? This might be an internet/Vimeo thing but when the conductor is moving his hands it has a somewhat staccato feel. Don't know if that was what you where going for or not. I usually shoot 60p at 1/60th for things like dance or general human movement for smooth motion.
The mids to high blacks look crushed to me. The orchestra looks like they are performing during a power outage.
This looks very "DSLR" in my opinion and why we would want to by a DVX200 to rise above the look of that era. Opening up the gamma will create a more inviting look to the footage and allow you to lower the exposure for the highlights and not have the scene feel underexpeosed. (I don't mean the grey milky look either).Imho, where video cameras true metal lies is how they handle the mids to high blacks. I call it an open gamma, but it is the range of tones that make rooms feel bright or dark with the same exposure. Pedestal is part of it but not all of it. Beware, computer screen are notorious for making blacks look darker than they really are. So it is tough to know what to trust when adjusting.
Mike Harvey
Veteran
Thanks for sharing. Couple of things I noticed while viewing on my computer screen playing from Vimeo:
The shutter speed looks high? This might be an internet/Vimeo thing but when the conductor is moving his hands it has a somewhat staccato feel. Don't know if that was what you where going for or not. I usually shoot 60p at 1/60th for things like dance or general human movement for smooth motion.
The mids to high blacks look crushed to me. The orchestra looks like they are performing during a power outage.
Imho, where video cameras true metal lies is how they handle the mids to high blacks. I call it an open gamma, but it is the range of tones that make rooms feel bright or dark with the same exposure. Pedestal is part of it but not all of it. Beware, computer screen are notorious for making blacks look darker than they really are. So it is tough to know what to trust when adjusting.
I concur about the blacks looking crushed and the staccato feel. I think shooting a lot of black clothing under bright lights while trying not to blow out skin highlights isn't helping... just looks like it might also be a deceptively difficult shooting situation. But, both of those things seems should be relatively easy to fix. Overall though there is nothing "off", really, about the image. It looks good overall.
I agree that was definitely a tough shoot for him. I think we all need to just get out there and put the camera through it's paces and see what needs adjusted or what it's limitations might be. Unfortunately, anything that gets posted at least here in the beginning is going to be over-scrutinized especially by people that don't own one to fully understand what the challenges are. I think there are a lot of us using the camera but we know as soon as we post something it's going to get picked apart. It's a slightly different animal compared to what most of us are used to.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Two things:
1) It's entirely possible that the auto shutter got engaged. It is way too easy to end up with auto shutter. Basically, if you don't see the shutter speed displayed on the LCD, then that means it's in auto shutter. So perhaps he ended up in auto shutter unintentionally. You have to push the shutter button to enable/disable auto shutter; it's only disabled if you see a manual shutter speed displayed on the LCD.
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1) It's entirely possible that the auto shutter got engaged. It is way too easy to end up with auto shutter. Basically, if you don't see the shutter speed displayed on the LCD, then that means it's in auto shutter. So perhaps he ended up in auto shutter unintentionally. You have to push the shutter button to enable/disable auto shutter; it's only disabled if you see a manual shutter speed displayed on the LCD.
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The DVX200 does have a setting exactly for that, it's called BLACK GAMMA. In most of the GH4 scene files I had to crush down the black gamma to get it to render comparably to how a GH4 does. You can restore it to default or even open it up all the way if you prefer that look.