AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE DVX-200! This is a shameful posting and it REALLY bothers me. The way it handles the blacks with noise throughout various scenes shows it is a toss up and that individual is just trying to get views. Look at 01:18 on the tilt down from the building. There's no WAY in hell that Leica 4K lens has chromatic aberration, and with the noise smearing throughout that reflected picture.
I don't know whether that footage is or isn't from a DVX200. Some aspects look like it could be; the shallow DOF and slow-mo for example. If it is a DVX200, I (obviously) have no idea what generation of camera it was from; it could have been from the earliest engineering sample.

But -- I mean, it's helpful to read the guy's own video description. He says "Honestly, I haven`t laid my hands a camera for some time, so it was nice to remember my beginnings. I did my apprenticeship on a FX1." So we have a rusty cameraman using a camera of unknown levels of "finished-ness" that he can't possibly know the ins and outs of yet; again, I can't see how anyone would expect the best quality footage in such a scenario.

There's no WAY in hell that Leica 4K lens has chromatic aberration

On the finished camera, no, there shouldn't be much if any chromatic aberration. On an early engineering prototype, sure there could be issues. Noel Evans said that the lens on the unit he was using had soft spots on the left side of the frame. That's part and parcel of using a preproduction early engineering sample. Which is, once again, why I say that footage like this simply shouldn't be relied on as being reflective of what the final quality of the product will be, and footage shouldn't be released from any of the cameras until it's a production-line camera that is directly representative of what the end consumer will be able to buy.

and with the noise smearing throughout that reflected picture.

Again, there's no way to know what the guy did. If he was shooting on DRS (Dynamic Range Stretch) with level 3, then that adds around 18dB of gain to the shadows. You can bet that there will be some noise in such a situation. We do know that he put Magic Bullet Looks on the footage, since it says so in the video description. If the Magic Bullet Looks stretched up the shadows, where 18dB of gain had already been added, then yes, you can expect to see noise all over that.

I tested the v0.29 camera, in 1080 mode, and found it to be very quiet on my monitor, with no chroma noise, and only a small level of luma noise in the lowest levels. The more you gain up the camera, the more noise there is, but I thought that from a normal viewing distance it looks perfectly acceptable up to at least 2000 ISO. Now, that's not to say there's no noise whatsoever in the image; of course there's noise in it, but in 500 ISO you really have to be dedicated to go find it, and pixel-peep for it. By the time you're up to 2000 ISO you can see that there's some noise, but the question is whether it bothers you or not. I found it completely unobtrusive, and even found 4000 ISO acceptable. By 8000 it's definitely noisy, and 16000 and 32000 would be what I would consider unusable for production-caliber footage; they might be usable in a "surveillance video" context, but you wouldn't normally be using them in normal productions.

In 4K, you can expect an increase in visible noise; 1080 averages the noise together and produces a quieter picture, 4K doesn't.

In VLOG-L, you can definitely expect to see more noise, because as near as I can tell (and am waiting to talk to the engineers to verify this), I think VLOG mode is a really rather raw image. It's possible that they bypass the in-camera noise reduction entirely when you put the camera in VLOG-L mode. If so, then yes, you'll see noise -- and you'll expect that you'll have to do noise reduction in post, just like you're going to have to do gamma correction, color correction, and sharpening. All of those steps will be necessary to make good-looking VLOG-L footage, because VLOG-L skips nearly all in-camera processing. There is no color correction, sharpening, gamma correction, knee, or anything else done in-camera when shooting VLOG-L, and I think it's possible that there's reduced or even eliminated noise reduction in VLOG-L.

So could this be DVX200 footage? Sure, it could be -- but we don't know what version of the camera was used, how it was shot, and the post process seems to have involved Magic Bullet Looks, so ... we can say that it may not be representative of what a skilled user could create with a DVX200.
 
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There are six preset positions that you can save in-camera. And you can store eight packages of preset looks onto an SD card, so you would have pretty quick access to 48 potential different looks.

Thank you Mr. Green.

I think the best footage so far has been by Panasonic France and Sebastian Wiegartner in Kyoto. PanaFR used CineLikeD with no post grading, and handled exposure professionally, most likely using the NDs. Their cloud scenes are lit nicely, and the DRS brings all the low to mids just right. And lastly, their bokeh shots truly show the beauty of this 4k optimized Leica lens to a MFT sensor. Sebastian Wiegartner, although it's not said how he captured footage, but he used V-Log L gamma and applied the Varicam 35 Rec.709 profile over it. I'm not sure if that's the ideal thing to do since the Varicam 35 is not calibrated for 8-bit 4:2:0... surely you get great results nonetheless.

Whereas the sample footage from some guy in Romania lent by WestBuy is questionable. Low Light scenes and noise from that ''suspect'' video behave like a 1/2.3" Back-Illuminated MOS Sensor...In fact there are some phenominal videos from Panasonic's consumer line on Youtube like the HC-V750 or HC-VX870 (4k) which handle resolution and detail so great and give amazing 100fps Full HD video. Seriously the optics from those high end consumer cams look better than the ''suspect'' video posted, which even those have the slow-shutter effect available as well. The ''suspect'' video shows chromatic aberration off the wall from a building, similar to fully zoomed Panny 1/2.3'' MOS's. I haven't seen noisy compressed macro-blocks from other DVX200 videos like this ''suspect'' video, or perhaps it was rendered to a bad codec that has destroyed the lows... Nonetheless some of use know how sensors behave under noise pressure.. There are parts from Wiegartner's low light grey wall scenes and other shots where compression artifacts move around. That might be because of the 4:2:0 4K compression recoding. I'd like to see an A/B from an external recorder vs the interal codec-bit on how it handles shadows.

Last but not least. Look at the beautiful detail from this Panny VX870. Looks great! The DOF.

 
There are six preset positions that you can save in-camera
This is what you get when you tap the touch screen of the HC-X1000 (this is just a camera pointed at the screen for the picture, it doesn't look this bad). They then become buttons you can press on the screen.



I think you could say that the X1000 was a "little bit" of a test run in body shape, iris rings, button layout, touch screen and menu, for the DVX200, but smaller and lighter (I think they even use the same battery).
If people had have hated it, they would be doing it differently.

I'm sure you all realize I'm not talking about video image quality.


 
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Not sure if this was posted previously. Since everyone on the Panasonic demo tour had the same shooting opportunities the footage all seems alike. This was posted on Vimeo two days ago. Shot in UDH CIne-Like gamma.

 
Not sure if this was posted previously. Since everyone on the Panasonic demo tour had the same shooting opportunities the footage all seems alike. This was posted on Vimeo two days ago. Shot in UDH CIne-Like gamma.


In before the 'pixel peepers' dump on this.

I like the colors/saturation/sharpness/defocus demonstrated in this piece. What's NOT to like when the shooter didn't even have a manual.

Congrats to Pani for developing what looks like a terrific ENG/R-N-G camera at a relatively modest retail price.
 
Here comes the flame war. I apologize in advance. I want to root for this cam SO BADLY. On paper it checks all the boxes for me. Watching all these clips, though--and yes I know we are a) talking about an unfinished product and b) vimeo/YT compression-- there is a lack of "sexiness" to the images. They are not bad, per se, they just don't "pop". I will explain a little better. Even now, in the year of Our Great Cthulhu 2015, whenever I shoot with your grandfather's camera from the Civil War, the Sony EX1, I am still very pleased with what I see on reviewing my footage after the shoot (if I personally didn't eff up exposure/white balance etc.). Colors, skin tones, etc. just look NICE. REAL NICE. Like on the default settings even (pic profile OFF) . Also, looking at Eric Coughlin's (sp?) C100 interview reel, those images are beautiful, to me (nice work!). DOF aside, there is just something about the way that cam handles colors, skin tones, etc. that to me is extremely pleasing, even on unlit shots with relatively mundane backgrounds. Just something about it. I remember looking at someone's FS100 reel a long time ago and thinking that footage looked really nice. THAT's what I am not seeing so far with this cam. Yes I realize those other examples might be graded, yes I realize those are different brands with different color science philosophies, yes I realize that most of this footage has been shot outdoors in overcast conditions (though the few indoor shots and even when sun is out still looks kind of "meh" to me) but still. . ..Anyone feel me? Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
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I would be the first to say you're right if it wasn't a) for being a preproduction camera b) I DO like the look of the GH4 and I expect similar - and even better - footage from the final DVX200. So I keep silent and simply wait until a final verdict will be possible.
 
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Screen grabs from Mari Yamamura's shoot. I like the camera blocking and framing of this shot...although short. Nonetheless, I graded it pretended that it would be a dolly moving to the right onto the street where exposure would still be nice and the character still softly lit. the lows work well in the foreground knowing the context of the housing. Considering it's a compressed grab off vimeo I'm liking the codec's efficiency and accuracy.

DVX200 4K Shooting Tour Japan (0-00-09-00) 2.jpg
DVX200 4K Shooting Tour Japan (0-00-09-00).jpg
 
it appears that the normal video embedding link is not currently working. here is link to 4k downloadable V Log test.


 
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Ah. So regarding "b)" above it may just be a personal taste thing (i.e. look of one brand's cams vs another's)? I can see that.

Sure it it. I always thought the GH4 can look like a very expensive and big 2/3" camera. Maybe for a more filmic look there are better options, but for a rich and vivid video look the GH4 for my taste gives a nice image out of the box. But until now, within the price and brand boundaries, the GH4 for me is still the reference, not the DVX200. It should be surpassed when all is done. The DVX200 is simply the more advanced (and much more expensive) camera.
 
Looks like I'm going to be able to get my hands on the very latest version next week sometime. Apparently shipped from Japan today. I'm looking forward to taking it for a spin again.
 
wow, i wonder what 90s camera they got that footage from.

It's seriously remarkable that they would put out such bleh footage instead of have a professional give them something worth looking at
 
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