AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

The codec and bit depth specs are making me think $5,000 is optimistic. Why not have separate codecs for 1080p/720p and 4k? Are they really going to try and convince us that heat and processing power is stopping them from using a 10bit 4:2:2 codec to record 1080p? The camera design is cool, but I do not want to pay $5,000 for DSLR level codecs.
 
I really don't get why it would only have a 13x zoom.:huh:

With the acceptation of the AC-90, all the AC and HPX cameras have 22x.
So whats with the 13?
That's just not enough for me!
 
Phil vG said:
I really don't get why it would only have a 13x zoom.:huh:

With the acceptation of the AC-90, all the AC and HPX cameras have 22x.
So whats with the 13? That's just not enough for me :(
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The 4/3 sensor is much bigger than the ones in AC/HPX series so a lens would have to be much much bigger and much more expensive to give the same range options which is why you only see 13x zoom. Most large sensor zooms rarely go above 10x.
 
The large sensor size makes lenses more difficult and large to make massive zoom ranges. 13x is actually quite good for a m4/3rds sensor. The DVX100 had the same zoom range with a 1/3" sensor.
 
We are going to have to wait for the actual product to start shipping, but so far this mockup it is just a pretty prototype, (just like a flashy sports car). Spec wise it is like a HC-X1000 with a bigger sensor. This is the competitor to the Sony PXW-Z100. It should work better in low light due to the larger sensor. There is no mention of professional level codecs. I wish they would stop calling this the "4k DVX100" (DVX was taped based). This should be called the "pro" version of the HC-X1000.
There is a market for "run and gun" 4k camcorders, but we are still waiting for the AF100 successor.
 
We are going to have to wait for the actual product to start shipping, but so far this mockup it is just a pretty prototype (just like a flashy sports car). Spec wise it is like putting a GH4 brain in a HC-X1000 body. This is the competitor to the Sony PXW-Z100. It should work better in low light due to the larger sensor. Hopefully it is going to be better than the GH4 in regards to noise levels. I wish they would stop calling this the "4k DVX100" (DVX was taped based). This camera should be called the "pro" version of the HC-X1000. There is a market for "run and gun" 4k camcorders, but we are still waiting for the AF100 successor.
 
Here's a question... they keep going on about 12 stops because of Vlog. How many stops does it have when not using Vlog? If it's meant to be run-n-gun, there are a lot of scenarios where I need a good baked in look with little or no messing around in post. What is that going to cost me in terms of dynamic range?
 
philiplipetz said:
Not sure that the rep knows. I saw a video that also had a rep saying it had the GH4 sensor. There is always a lot of confusion at shows.
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At the last NAB, one of the reps for a camera with a PL mount said that PL stood for Prime Lens.

This NAB, Blackmagic's president didn't know whether rolling and global shutter are selectable in the new URSA Mini.

Honestly I wish each company would just fly out the engineers themselves. No matter how socially awkward they are, it would be more insightful. You can't outgeek us here. Although, come to think of it, when one of us asks, "Why didn't you make it do X," the engineer might say, "Well, we wanted to, but our boss told us, 'No'." Awkward...
 
I think a couple of things can be gleaned from this year's NAB:
1- The 'rumor' websites are to be taken with a grain of salt. (and that's an understatement!)
2- Panasonic isn't listening to it's customers.
I understand there is a real market for the DVX200. And Panasonic has filled that need.
But seriously, how difficult would it have been to develop an interchangeable lens version in tandem with the DVX??? They could have easily introduced 2 new cameras at NAB.
It looks like they have ceded that segment of the market to JVC, BMD, AJA, etc.
Bye-Bye Panny...
 
Pro internal codecs. It's not that difficult. EVERY other camera manufacturer has a camera in that size and price range with broadcast ready 4k. Their flim-flam about "heat" is extremely weak.
 
TFilipiak said:
I think a couple of things can be gleaned from this year's NAB:
1- The 'rumor' websites are to be taken with a grain of salt. (and that's an understatement!)
2- Panasonic isn't listening to it's customers.
I understand there is a real market for the DVX200. And Panasonic has filled that need.
But seriously, how difficult would it have been to develop an interchangeable lens version in tandem with the DVX??? They could have easily introduced 2 new cameras at NAB.
It looks like they have ceded that segment of the market to JVC, BMD, AJA, etc.
Bye-Bye Panny...
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Precisely.
 
Glad I held off on the HC-X1000... I need a camera that can pan with stabilization on, and has smooth aperture changes. 4k 60fps Seems a perfect fit for what I shoot
 
David Jimerson said:
Why waste the energy going on and on about what a camera isn't? If it isn't for you, just move on.
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Exactly.

I'm actually quite interested in this camera. I loved my DVX-100A, and still miss having one (except that I have no SD workflow anymore). How many of us had a DVX-100/A/B and got what we needed out of it? So, this is a familiar form factor with HD and 4K, and with HD-SDI out and TC in/out. For me, personally, it's what I would love to have for many of my more chaotic projects where DSLR is kind of a PITA, and seems to hit a sweet spot that the orginal DVX pioneered (and that the HMC-40 and AC-90A didn't quite reach).

It will be interesting to see exactly what this camera actually can do, once it is available and there is footage to see. It's hard to jump to any hard conclusions until that point. Of course, the biggest question... will it make that mysterious clunking noise?
 
combatentropy said:
When you know a certain thing is possible and would help the seller and buyer, but don't see it, even after years, even after you and others have spelled it out everywhere that you can, is the best response silence?
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I didn't say anyone should be "silent," but repeating the same thing over and over doesn't do anything for anyone, either.
 
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