AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

philiplipetz said:
Everyone assumes the DVX200 is 4:2:0 like the GH4, but I have not seen any specification. Similarly, everyone assumes this is the GH4 sensor but I have not seen any specification. There are other unused MTF sensors already announced.
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You would need either cfast or p2 card to handle 4K bitrates higher than 100mb, so even if we are wrong, it's reasonable to assume 8bit 4:2:0 on board. 3G SDI is only for HD resolution?
 
harddrive said:
The big question might be just who it's aimed at? If you're in the general event etc type market (and currently using such as EX1, HVX270) the form factor and built in lens etc suits, but is 4K really worth it here? I've heard people say even HD seems overkill for such as weddings - I don't agree with that, but is anyone going to deliver such on 4K?
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Who is delivering 4K at all? A very, very selective few. Hollywood movies are still finished 99% in 2K. So wedding guys would use 4K like everybody else is, to reframe and deliver HD. So I don't see your point. I think this camera for sure will serve a big part of the market. Not everybody is making indie movies. Some work with events, broadcast or just need an all in one solution.
 
zeke said:
You would need either cfast or p2 card to handle 4K bitrates higher than 100mb, so even if we are wrong, it's reasonable to assume 8bit 4:2:0 on board. 3G SDI is only for HD resolution?
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The fastest UHS III SDHC cards are rated at 280mbs. What they actually deliver I do not know. Canon sells 4k 4:2: cameras with 205mbs rate. Have seen one card advertised as having much more than that speed but I have not seen it in the hands of anyone. Also, HS could be a downsized 4:2:2 while 4K is not.
 
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Nice camera but not all that exciting for me. I'll be surprised if it does as well as people are expecting it to.
 
This is one of the key things I was looking for out of NAB, a sub $5K, large sensor (low light performance), 4K or UHD 60P capable Camcorder. There is currently a complete lack of 4K camcorders with acceptable low light performance under $5000. So many of the existing 4K camcorder options are not useable for low light indoor use.

There are plenty of Camera options out there for people who want cameras with replaceable lenses. Provided it tests out decently, I will likely be buying this camera. I understand it doesn't fulfill the need of those looking for a AF101 replacement but I think this camera will help a lot of people.

I am hopeful that it is not the same sensor as the GH4 - you don't need that many pixels for video and fewer photosites will allow for larger photoside and thus better low light performance, theoretically speaking of course. If its the same sensor as the GH4 then it's low light performance won't be good enough for me personally especially with a lens that does down to f/4.5. The fact that you can get a reasonably decent shallow depth of field out of this camcorder is a huge bonus as I have never owned a camcorder that could acheive that look.
 
Following that thread from the start I have the feeling that the opinions about that camera are about 50-50, with the negative ones focusing mostly on the fixed lens. Personally Im done with fixed lens cameras a long time ago...but I guess there will always be a market for them, even if its getting smaller and smaller. Im just wondering wouldnt be better for Panasonic to release the exact same camera but without a fixed lens? Same thing Im wondering about Canons XC10...but Canon has an excuse in my opinon...to protect their C line...what about Panasonic?
 
I think this is going to be a great companion the the gh4.

if i need super shallow DOF or i want to use some specific lens for some specific look then i have two Gh4's for that. if i want to run and gun, and I'm in a situation were that's not important or posable then this will be awesome.

and a lot of folks talking about how you won't be able to get the shallow dof at all with that lens but out on the end of that zoom in the 100mm range the DOF won't be that much different than with a gh4 with the pan 35-100 at f 2.8

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so..the way that lcd comes out, think it can be pulled toward side of cam for side viewing? and..looks like it has a timecode jack of some sort..surprising.
 
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Hot freaking cakes.
That's how it's gonna sell like.
All the HVX/EX1 users out there (and there are MANY) will finally be able to offer a larger sensor look and get better low light.
If I just could dig up a post from years ago, where I was expressing my incomprehension of why Pana didn't put a 2/3" sensor in a HVX body,
and someone (Barry?) explained it wasn't doable, because the fixed lens would need to be way to big... ;)

I went from HVX to the C100 as my personal camera and one thing no one-man-crew shoot needs, is changing lenses and non par focal manual photo zooms.
While I love that the C's are small and can be stripped down for traveling or steady/gimbal use, the DVX200's form factor is proven and trusted.
Better codec? Just add a Atomos Star or the new BMD 5", but let's see what codec options will be offered upon release.
Crazy times.
 
Sttratos said:
Who is delivering 4K at all? A very, very selective few. Hollywood movies are still finished 99% in 2K.
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At the high end of the market there's a lot of request for 4K - even if the present day delivery is HD. For high end work the requirement is increasingly to have a 4K master if the product is seen to have any future worth at all. I don't know what the current Hollywood figures are, but I's suspect it's probably more than 99% and increasing all the time.

Yes, for wedding use 4K allows reframing afterwards. But it comes at a price. Heavier workflow, necessity to transcode, and very likely a lower sensitivity than if the chipset was HD. All I'm saying is that cameras like the EX1, HPX270 may still give a better end result.

I was arguing heavily a year or so back in favour of 4K in principle when the overwhelming mood seemed to be "what's the point"? But I'll be the first to say not to get carried away with 4k for everything.
 
Makes sense after watching the Cinema 5D video (thanks for posting!) about the omission of AVC-Ultra. Heat. The PX270 draws 19.5 watts for 1080p. I can imagine as he stated that 4k would push this over the top. Hopefully there will be 1080p 4:2:2 10 bit options to choose from.

Looking forward to seeing images and to see how well the servo motors work. Would be interested to see if this camera can be a direct replacement or shoot along side the PX270 and color match and have the same smooth zoom control.
 
Spartacus said:
Hot freaking cakes.
That's how it's gonna sell like.
All the HVX/EX1 users out there (and there are MANY) will finally be able to offer a larger sensor look and get better low light.
If I just could dig up a post from years ago, where I was expressing my incomprehension of why Pana didn't put a 2/3" sensor in a HVX body,
and someone (Barry?) explained it wasn't doable, because the fixed lens would need to be way to big... ;)

I went from HVX to the C100 as my personal camera and one thing no one-man-crew shoot needs, is changing lenses and non par focal manual photo zooms.
While I love that the C's are small and can be stripped down for traveling or steady/gimbal use, the DVX200's form factor is proven and trusted.
Better codec? Just add a Atomos Star or the new BMD 5", but let's see what codec options will be offered upon release.
Crazy times.
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Since it will have Vlog, I asssume that will give it better dynamic range in post? If they could do 10bit 4:2:2 at 1080p like the X70, it will sell like hot cakes.
 
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