AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

And at my friends store Schweizervideo in Zurich, they are showing 4495CHF.......in today exchange rate with the dollar, it's about the same in USD......

Jim Martin
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Jim Martin said:
And at my friends store Schweizervideo in Zurich, they are showing 4495CHF.......in today exchange rate with the dollar, it's about the same in USD......

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com
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Are prices at your friend's store generally more or less expensive than the U.S.? Exchange rate aside, there are taxes and other things to consider in price. If he's listing it at the equivalent of ~$4,500 USD, and things are more expensive there, that bodes *really* well for us in the U.S. :)
 
frappe61 said:
Except you'll need to drop 9-10k to get a Mini 4.6k with EVF, lenses, and enough batteries and cards to film an event, so not really that comparable..
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Most people who would buy the Ursa Mini already have those things, and as far as the EVF goes I would rather use a monitor unless I was using it as an ENG camera only
and if that were the case I would not be interested in the Mini anyway.
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Still now I think that Panasonic GH4 looks better than Dvx200, I hope everything will be better when Dvx200 is finalized in October.
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Have in mind that the good looking stuff from the GH4 ist mostly shot with Cinelike-D, while the footage of the DVX200 seems to be straight out of the camera, without any grading.
 
If you compare the iPod6 prices, then it's $198 in Japan as per that site and under the current currency conversion rate of 125/1, and $199 in the US.
 
Mike Harvey said:
Are prices at your friend's store generally more or less expensive than the U.S.? Exchange rate aside, there are taxes and other things to consider in price. If he's listing it at the equivalent of ~$4,500 USD, and things are more expensive there, that bodes *really* well for us in the U.S. :)
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In general, it's more expensive in Europe....taxes, tariffs, Shrengen agreements between EU and non-EU,..etc
 
Gary W said:
Most people who would buy the Ursa Mini already have those things, and as far as the EVF goes I would rather use a monitor unless I was using it as an ENG camera only
and if that were the case I would not be interested in the Mini anyway.
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My point was that they are two completely different camera systems. You cannot compare them based solely on the price of the body and say that the Ursa Mini is a better choice (not that you did personally, but that comment was directed towards someone who did).

Even if you do happen to own all the lenses, CFast 2 cards, batteries, and EVFs/monitors that you'll need to kit out a Mini(and I doubt that most people who are buying one do, myself included), the total investment is still significantly more than a DVX200.
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Still now I think that Panasonic GH4 looks better than Dvx200, I hope everything will be better when Dvx200 is finalized in October.
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Yes! It's much better than a first few footage, but I still don't like COLOR TINT .. I watch almost every sample released so far and see the same "Reddish-Violet" tint in everyone of them :angry:

I don't know how to explain it better, but as an Artist I learn from the beginning that Mauve, Purple, Red&Blue tints, looks like a corpse shades - these shades are the worst!!! , because they are associated in human mentality with the colors of CORPSE!!!


Seems like something wrong with Color Filters Array on that sensor, and I don't know yet, if it possible to adjust in Camera Setup... ( I'm not intend to fix it in every footage I shoot in Grading )
...,but anyway, I think that Panasonic have to fix it...

IMHO

(sorry about my poor English, but I hope someone will see what I mean )
 
SergeSmArt said:
Seems like something wrong with Color Filters Array on that sensor
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That seems like a leap to a conclusion that even Superman would have trouble making, and he's used to leaping over tall buildings in a single bound.

How do you determine that there's a hardware problem with the color filter? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to assume that an unfinished camera with unfinished color science might just be ... unfinished?

and I don't know yet, if it possible to adjust in Camera Setup...
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The DVX200 has more menu options for controlling color than any Panasonic handheld has ever had. You can control the individual red and blue gain and gain offset values for each channel of white balance, you have the typical 4 color matrices, you have the typical chroma phase and chroma level controls, you have new gammas including specific filmlike gammas, you also get the master pedestal we're familiar with but it also includes the ability to adjust the black gamma and set three different values for the black gamma range...

...but on top of all that it has a full 16-pole color correction menu that lets you fine-tune the saturation and phase on 16 different points on the color wheel, in 128 steps each.

You could paint the image in this camera pretty much as effectively as someone is ever likely to want to grade an image in post.

...,but anyway, I think that Panasonic have to fix it...
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No, Panasonic doesn't have to "fix it" -- people need to learn how to use the camera. And if people don't want to bother learning how to use the camera, then they might at least want to wait until Panasonic has finished adjusting the color science before they go publishing footage from it (and yes, that includes the factory too). When the camera is done there will be pre-configured scene files that are "ready to shoot" for those who don't want to bother learning how to use it. There will be VLOG-L for those who don't want anything other than the most raw image for post production. And there will be downloadable scene files to match other cameras in the lineup too.
 
Barry_Green said:
That seems like a leap to a conclusion that even Superman would have trouble making, and he's used to leaping over tall buildings in a single bound.

How do you determine that there's a hardware problem with the color filter? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to assume that an unfinished camera with unfinished color science might just be ... unfinished?


The DVX200 has more menu options for controlling color than any Panasonic handheld has ever had. You can control the individual red and blue gain and gain offset values for each channel of white balance, you have the typical 4 color matrices, you have the typical chroma phase and chroma level controls, you have new gammas including specific filmlike gammas, you also get the master pedestal we're familiar with but it also includes the ability to adjust the black gamma and set three different values for the black gamma range...

...but on top of all that it has a full 16-pole color correction menu that lets you fine-tune the saturation and phase on 16 different points on the color wheel, in 128 steps each.

You could paint the image in this camera pretty much as effectively as someone is ever likely to want to grade an image in post.


No, Panasonic doesn't have to "fix it" -- people need to learn how to use the camera. And if people don't want to bother learning how to use the camera, then they might at least want to wait until Panasonic has finished adjusting the color science before they go publishing footage from it (and yes, that includes the factory too). When the camera is done there will be pre-configured scene files that are "ready to shoot" for those who don't want to bother learning how to use it. There will be VLOG-L for those who don't want anything other than the most raw image for post production. And there will be downloadable scene files to match other cameras in the lineup too.
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Jim Martin
EVSonline.com
 
Just recently got engaged and my Mom gave my fiancé the recipe for my favorite cake. Had been awhile since I’d eaten that cake and so could hardly wait to taste it once my fiancé started to bake it. Well, she went out for a run and I just couldn’t stand waiting anymore — took it out of the oven about 15 minutes before it was supposed to be done baking. I mean - it looked just like a done cake. But man, I’ll tell you…it was nothing like my Mom’s cake! Am now having second thoughts about our engagement. The girl obviously can’t cook.
 
VARICAM-Lite, VARICAM-mini, VARICAM-XS (extra small)...

time for an affordable Varicam ala MFT with AVC-Ultra codecs. Doesn't have to be 4K off the bat, they can charge for the upgrade. =P
 
tflak said:
Just recently got engaged and my Mom gave my fiancé the recipe for my favorite cake. Had been awhile since I’d eaten that cake and so could hardly wait to taste it once my fiancé started to bake it. Well, she went out for a run and I just couldn’t stand waiting anymore — took it out of the oven about 15 minutes before it was supposed to be done baking. I mean - it looked just like a done cake. But man, I’ll tell you…it was nothing like my Mom’s cake! Am now having second thoughts about our engagement. The girl obviously can’t cook.
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:thumbsup:
 
What do I expect from this camera? For my very personal needs and intentions, I hope it will give me super16-like images in DOF, DR and colours. DOF already looks fine, but the DV200 still has to stand the V-log-Filmconvert-test for the rest. But I'm very optimistic that the camera is going to deliver what I want.
 
Barry_Green said:
The DVX200 has more menu options for controlling color than any Panasonic handheld has ever had. You can control the individual red and blue gain and gain offset values for each channel of white balance, you have the typical 4 color matrices, you have the typical chroma phase and chroma level controls, you have new gammas including specific filmlike gammas, you also get the master pedestal we're familiar with but it also includes the ability to adjust the black gamma and set three different values for the black gamma range...

...but on top of all that it has a full 16-pole color correction menu that lets you fine-tune the saturation and phase on 16 different points on the color wheel, in 128 steps each.

You could paint the image in this camera pretty much as effectively as someone is ever likely to want to grade an image in post.
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This is great news. By all means this will separate this camera from all DSLR references. Having these controls allows one to make the camera "punch above it's weight" so to speak. All we need is the lens to stay at f2.8 up to 85mm (ff eq.) and the camera will be a virtual slam dunk.
 
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