AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

In low light settings such as conferences you will lose over a stop going from wide at 2.8 to 4.5. when zoomed in for close ups and medium shots, this will definitely be noticeable. With a fixed aperture of 2.8 and 4:2:2 color space Panasonic would have something very special in this camera. The only reason I mentioned the Sony RX10 II which has a 1" sensor is to show that if Sony can introduce a fixed aperture of 2.8 with a 24-200mm in $1300 camera then Panasonic should be able to do it in a $5k price range.
 
Ken1212 said:
In low light settings such as conferences you will lose over a stop going from wide at 2.8 to 4.5. when zoomed in for close ups and medium shots, this will definitely be noticeable. With a fixed aperture of 2.8 and 4:2:2 color space Panasonic would have something very special in this camera. The only reason I mentioned the Sony RX10 II which has a 1" sensor is to show that if Sony can introduce a fixed aperture of 2.8 with a 24-200mm in $1300 camera then Panasonic should be able to do it in a $5k price range.
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A $1,300 camera that overheats after 29 minutes and has to shut down, lacks a lot of the DVX's functionality, and from what I've read, has an impossibly slow zoom.

Besides, the RX10 has a much shorter zoom for a much smaller sensor. None of the Fujinon or Canon lenses you see on ENG cams have a fixed aperture, and they're upwards $15,000 being put on sensors smaller than the RX10. If Sony can make a constant aperture zoom for a $1,300 1" camera, shouldn't Canon and Fujinon be able to make constant aperture 2/3" lenses when they cost ten times as much?
 
fastfinger said:
The hc-x1000 dropped so guess they are not selling well. $5,000 seems reasonable if the camera performs, just want to see some sports type shooting samples. Hope they hand it off to some soccer mom who shoots full auto.
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Well B&H have for several years made the status quo for camera prices in a shameful way. They care more for sales margins than the profit margins and it puts other dealers in awkward situations that they have to bundle things, which even then B&H matches in advertising.

It's not that the HC-X1000 is not selling well, but whenever a new gen camera comes out you still want buyers interested in previous models so you have to lower price.
 
flinty said:
This is a very interesting new model,that has various listed uses,but one wildlife seems to be overstepping the mark what use is 365.3 35mm equivalent max reach in that field.
Good specs for other use though http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/dvx4k/pdf/ag-dvx200_spec.pdf
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wait what!? Am I reading this correctly!? ''Recording Video Signal: 8 bit 4:2:0''

So basically the hype is to use it with external recorders? What happened to the AVC-Ultra protocol? =( I guess it has to fall under the HPX (Intra) or PX line. Tbh, with a separate recorder for 10-bit 4:2:2 is not bad all, but internal would've been great. I already own four U3 128GB SDXC cards.
 
Ken1212 said:
In low light settings such as conferences you will lose over a stop going from wide at 2.8 to 4.5. when zoomed in for close ups and medium shots, this will definitely be noticeable. With a fixed aperture of 2.8 and 4:2:2 color space Panasonic would have something very special in this camera. The only reason I mentioned the Sony RX10 II which has a 1" sensor is to show that if Sony can introduce a fixed aperture of 2.8 with a 24-200mm in $1300 camera then Panasonic should be able to do it in a $5k price range.
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You are comparing a 8x zoom to a 13x zoom. The DVX will most probably not be at F/4.5 when zooming in eight times. Probably it will be at f/4.0, maybe even at f/3.5. So if you want a constant zoom on the DVX, just start wit F/4.0 or F/3.5 and don't zoom in to the very end of the range - it's simply your choice. The bigger sensor of the DVX will compensate for DOF and low light compared to the RX10 II. Again, laws of physics would make it nearly impossible to build a faster lens with such a zoom range for a big sensor. Such a lens would be at least extremely big and heavy - AND expensive. They probably would have been able to build a reasonable 8x f/3.5 zoom but then this would have bee too short for many of the purposes this camera is designed for.
 
frappe61 said:
My iphone camera has a constant f2.2 aperture. I don't understand how apple can include this in a $600 phone, and Panasonic can't even come close in a $5000 camera. This camera also won't even make calls..
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Is this a serious remark or sarcasm?

Your iPhone has a constant f2.2 aperture are a few reasons.

1. Fixed focal length. It doesn't have to change it's shape to zoom. Doesn't need a ton of glass elements that eat light.
2. Tiny Tiny sensor. Lens can be much larger than the sensor to allow more light.

People need to stop getting so hung up on big aperture lenses. There are no free lunches in camera design. Going from 28mm to almost 730mm and only experiencing 1-1.5 stops of light loss is remarkable given the size of the sensor.
 
frappe61 said:
My iphone camera has a constant f2.2 aperture. I don't understand how apple can include this in a $600 phone, and Panasonic can't even come close in a $5000 camera. This camera also won't even make calls..
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Thanks! This made me laugh :)
 
mattjeh said:
Why on earth don't they upload a 4k version of that though? 'These are the benefits of 4k....in HD'.
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Because the camera isn't done yet. The footage isn't accurate to what the final version will be producing. What would be the point of uploading non-final footage so that pixel-peepers could pick it apart and complain about it, when it's not necessarily representative of what the final camera can do?
 
"They are going to establish the price where they think it should be"
Ah..so they don't use any public discussion to gauge where that starting point is? Interesting. Must be how they handled the YAGH...
 
Barry_Green said:
Because the camera isn't done yet. The footage isn't accurate to what the final version will be producing. What would be the point of uploading non-final footage so that pixel-peepers could pick it apart and complain about it, when it's not necessarily representative of what the final camera can do?
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I'm very much on board with not making assumptions about the quality of the dvx200 based on pre-release footage. My point was (albeit not clearly made), coming from Panasonics own channel you'd think they would do something else to represent the footage other than HD. It's all besides the point anyway, I'm very much pro-dvx200.
 
I'm sure they will post 4K footage when they feel that the sensor is appropriately tuned that it can deliver representative footage. In this last clip, they were demonstrating some things that are already determined (FOV, latitude in VLOG-L, etc). Then again, I have no idea what they'll do next or where those videos are coming from, so -- they may surprise us all.
 
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