Affordable, Secure DVCPRO100 Backup??

hatchmo said:
Cost a fortune? Hard drives are the cheapest form of long-term storage. And reliable.

Tape is not a long term solution. Years ago, it was sensible. But it's almost 2008. Times have changed. Technology has changed. Tape's achilles heal is quick obsolescene and huge expense. Now, it is even less reliable long-term.
If you use tape long enough, you will, eventually, get burned.
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Hmmm. You may want to call the Department of Defense, the banking industry, Stock Exchange, and many of the larger Health Care organizations . . . all of whom have been using tape for archival purposes for decades. I am certain this will be chilling news to them.

from the original poster: "Seriously, how the heck do you want to backup your P2 footage in order to be able to use it within 10 years?????"
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I know, for some, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!" but maybe the question should be how many of us are going to give a **** about footage you shot today, tens years from now?"

BTW, LTO tape rocks!
 
A long time ago MaximumPC ran an article about CD-R life. They claimed standard media had 75 good years in dark storage and high-quality media could exceed 100 years. I haven't seen an update for DVDs.

If you need another sweet spot in the quality/cost equation, just buy big slow 7200RPM monsters and copy the files you use to a SATA RAID when you actually need to play them back. It takes more time but you can do the transfer over lunch or overnight.
 
REV has been looking like a decent affordable option. My only concern is that Iomega changes so often and is always so specific about compatability. You have to have a drive that matches the storage disk, which is a pain - especially if you get material delivered from clients.

The real concern though is down the road, when they stop making the 70GB drives and only the 250Gb drives are available. What happens when your drive fails and you can't insert disks or find a compatible drive to insert the disks in?

Just think about all the loney Zip and Jazz disks out there.....

ha.
 
dregenthal said:
Hmmm. You may want to call the Department of Defense, the banking industry, Stock Exchange, and many of the larger Health Care organizations . . . all of whom have been using tape for archival purposes for decades. I am certain this will be chilling news to them.



I know, for some, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!" but maybe the question should be how many of us are going to give a **** about footage you shot today, tens years from now?"

BTW, LTO tape rocks!
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You have a good point about LTO. It's what corporate america thrives on. It isnt going away. It's just expensive as all get out and not accessible at a moments notice. Ideally I think it would be good to keep an archival back up on hand in a firesafe, wether that be Optical Media or Harddrives and then have a Master Backup at an LTO provider.

You got your ass fully covered at that point and you also have instant access to your materials should you need them.
 
hatchmo said:
Cost a fortune? Hard drives are the cheapest form of long-term storage. And reliable.

Tape is not a long term solution. Years ago, it was sensible. But it's almost 2008. Times have changed. Technology has changed. Tape's achilles heal is quick obsolescene and huge expense. Now, it is even less reliable long-term.
If you use tape long enough, you will, eventually, get burned.
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rubbish.
check your facts.
Tape is far more secure in the long term.

Obsolescence, I don't thing so, I can still read my old 10 GB type 3 DLTs.
I'm using 160/320GB SDLT these days.
 
Milezee said:
rubbish.
check your facts.
Tape is far more secure in the long term.

Obsolescence, I don't thing so, I can still read my old 10 GB type 3 DLTs.
I'm using 160/320GB SDLT these days.
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Rubbish? I don't think so. You yourself might want to check the facts. (Just a quick check of the terms "bbc archives data lost" brought up this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6265976.stm )

Compared to optical media, tape is a better choice for long term storage. However, "long term" is relative. And like it or not, media degradation and obsolescence are HUGE issues affecting the archiving of data, in government agencies, news corporations, etc. "Long term" doesn't mean just 5 years or so. There's a lot of data in danger of being lost forever. And it's only going to be getting worse as the amount of electronic data grows and grows.
 
If the video/data is critical and must not be lost, you will want to have a second, or better yet, a third copy stored in different locations (buildings). One fire, explosion, or freak act of nature could wipe out everything. So, having a second copy in another city is a smart move.

The USB/Fire wire Hard Drives don' cost too much, but I would only trust them for a maximum of 3 to 7 years. That's just long enough for better optical storage to come along at a reasonable price.

In truth, if you have a second or third copy, it would be better to have that copy on different media: (1) USB/Fire wire Hard Drive (2) Tape Backup system (3) Optical Disks. As always, they must be PROPERLY stored. Idea is, that years down the road, if one media is impossible to read, you might be able to read the other media.


Bob Diaz
 
once again bob is the voice of reason.
why put your eggs all in one basket?
I've been backing up to RAID and DVD+DL.
 
Indywannabe said:
Hard disk is cheap and getting cheaper. I now have external disk that is just for this purpose. Just label it and put it back in the box it came in and set it on the shelf.
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Well, if you just put it on the shelf, you have to worry about "Stantion"
which means that after a few years of the HD being unused, the heads may stick.

Then you send it to DriveSavers for $500 or more, and then they can
revocer it for you..
 
wgzn said:
well, i can only speak from experience. ive used cd backup for data for well over 10 years now and not a single one has gone bad.
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So, tell us your numbers:

How many CDs over 10 years old?
How many have you tested / read the data off of?

Please, lets see some numbers ;)
 
iomega?

iomega?

SPZ said:
What I'm using- REV 70GB and Additional HDD's. REVS are fine. 1 in 13 personal HDD's failed.
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after the ZipDisk debacle - I have NO confidence in Iomega products.

(And why did Grass Valley choose them?)

I just dont trust that company.
 
You could just print out all your data in Braille and at least after a nuclear war if a computer survives and even if you have lost your eye sight from the flash you could retype it all into that computer..... Stainless steel sheets should last at least 100 years.

But seriously, I think it’s good to have multiple copies maybe in a variety of formats for the most critical data. I am still pulling data off old rewritable and writable cd's from the 90's with no problems. With all the moves I have made and crappy storage situations, some of the discs are pretty scratched up. Also my IDE hardrive from 1998 which has been offline for the last 4 years still works. I just plugged it in with a usb adapter and moved over files. Granted I wouldn't want something critical on it. It should work for an additional secondary storage solution though.

 
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