Affordable canon full frame

Don’t get me wrong, I love the ursa 12k. When I shoot anything important, I use it. I’m not getting rid of it. Just looking to improve my b cam. When I’m shooting something fast without sound that doesn’t need a lot of love, throwing a dslr on a tripod is fast and easy. Plus the files aren’t giant. Just looking to improve the quality of the video and getting into full frame for shallower depth of field. A big thing is to be able to use ef lenses that I own on all of my cameras.

you are right, I don’t do a lot of handheld work. Especially when Im doing YouTube stuff, but YouTube is my hobby. It’s not my day job. I’m more of an editor than anything, but I love shooting.
 
One thing maybe to do is check the resolutions/framerates in H.264 and H.265 if you by any chance don't have a M1 (or newer Apple) because the old Intels are pretty useless with Canon's H.265 if by any chance you had one and couldn't use H.264 for any reason (IDR the exact specs, just saying).
 
My mac is a little older. That’s a great point. If I can’t easily edit with these files, that defeats the working fast thing I’m looking for. Do any of the canons shoot prores or do you need an external recorder for that?
 
But check the H.264 specs as mentioned as it might have the same resolutions/framerates as the H.265 and then there would be no issue :)

I think the only Canons that shoot ProRes are the C700 variations, which may or may not be discontinued (not sure but they once briefly were the cinema flagships for $30K-ish).
 
One more thing (If any of you guys know the answer to this). My old 90D has 32.5 MP. The R6 2 has only 24.2 MP. When I'm shooting stills, will I notice a drop in photo quality OR does full frame versus cropped somehow even out the playing field? I thought I once read that full frame cameras often capture more detail, even if the MP number is lower. I could be totally wrong here. Thanks!
 
Some notes in no particular order.

my r6 has so much jello im moving to use it in s35 mode

given that i may trade it (or at least chrck the specs of the r7)

when im doing a small single op job i generally pick the c200 because is it smaller lighter and more elegant than a an r6 with nd and audio sorted

c200 raw plays back better than r6 h265 on my Four year old peecee

my ef lenses are cheap and good.. but the rf 24-105 is very good

i have a 18-35 1.8 stigma that cures many of the look problems of s35

i would choose the c70 a year before looking at the r5

maybe.. r7 or c70 or c200 or c100 are the sweet spots

full frame might be a distraction
 
To clarify the jellow is terrible in ff mode.

no revier of the r6 does this review.,

”Too much jellie move on”

all reviewers are therefore frauds.

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if you use resolve and a proxie workflow 265 is no problem on any machine but you lose 30 mins at ingest time.

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i own c200 r6 dumped the terrible rp and often on jobs where other camera is r5

sometimes the c200 feel like an antique - sometimes the audio and nd are a godsend

i hate being out with no solid audio - its too scary
 
Do you own the original r6? I’ve read that rolling shutter is better on the mark 2. Good to know it has a crop mode to make it even better. Would rolling shutter only be an issue with fast moving shots? It should be fine on interviews and slow camera moves, right?
 
i own the original r6.

i did a project around vehicle and that is when it really came to the fore.

I think cined have some test results - 27ms ff, 13ms crop, ????

i dont know if the new one is better.. sometime canon improve stuff in a new model sometimes they switch on a few things they switched off on the model before.. hey presto new model!

If you can use C123 for film that would be handy on the new one

I guess FF jello and s35 less jello is not to0 bad if you understand and plan for it.

FF35 16mm is well handy for filming hotel bathrooms that dont move.

Fundamentally I dont think any of these (dslr) cams present the core of a professional business you need C200, fx69, C3-500 for that
 
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A pro body cam is always preferred as a work horse with real audio inputs, less rolling shutter issues, etc…. The r6 2 would just be for a second cam to take photos and videos.
 
Well my r6 is a very nice camera.. excellent AF lovely stills files great 4k h265 10 bit 4k video files.. what more to want :)
 
Honestly it is ususally the client wants more.

I can do a passion project with a camera and a fifty and a 3nd and no mic

As soon as a client is involved it all goes wrong!

Pesky clients want to see what they are paying for .. and that doesnt work with pico hdmi

Conversly the EVF is a godsend on the r6 if you come from peeking down the tiny hole of an F3 or EX1
 
thefilmaddict said:
I guess I’d have to stick with canon. I wouldn’t want to lose the benefits of the autofocus.
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I mean you don't 'HAVE to.' The Sony FX6 for example has full frame, built in variable ND and every bit as good
autofocus as any Canon camera out there. But it also uses Emount lenses which you are unlikely to have if you
have invested in Canon glass.....
 
i would imagine that adding EF to sony will be broken by firmware in the next 18 months and having an 'investment' of ef on sony is a poor plan.

E mount AF is very capable.
 
Regarding the R5c, it is a great c cam for one of the Canon cinema cameras. I use it on a gimbal, or timelapse, or photos, or when you just need something light and small. What is nice is that the menu system and settings match the other cinema cameras. The absolutely terrible battery life makes it unusable as a quick setup run & gun camera. You either need a v mount or one of those usb battery packs which adds weight and time, and the image is not necessarily going to be any better than any of the other photo cameras like the R6. Also, the lack of IBIS ruins the ability to hand hold it in a pinch.
 
morgan_moore said:
i would imagine that adding EF to sony will be broken by firmware in the next 18 months and having an 'investment' of ef on sony is a poor plan.

E mount AF is very capable.
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Yeah, what I meant was that the FX6 has everything
the original poster seemed to want. The only issue
is that to get the autofocus you must use Emount lenses
on the FX6. So an Fx6 ‘might’ work for someone with
those requirements (4K, Full Frame, great autofocus,
built in ND and XLR audio, 10 bit 4.2.2 color.) But if you
have a big investment in EF lenses, not so good an idea.
For me, I was never a still photographer so I never had
EF mount lenses so the FX6 made a lot of sense for me.
If you have $20k or more in EF lens investment….well if
that were me, I’d be looking at the C70 with the EF speed booster. That would give you full frame and EF compatibility. Of course I don’t know what the budget is
either, maybe the budget is not enough for that option.
 
cpreston said:
Regarding the R5c, it is a great c cam for one of the Canon cinema cameras. I use it on a gimbal, or timelapse, or photos, or when you just need something light and small. What is nice is that the menu system and settings match the other cinema cameras. The absolutely terrible battery life makes it unusable as a quick setup run & gun camera. You either need a v mount or one of those usb battery packs which adds weight and time, and the image is not necessarily going to be any better than any of the other photo cameras like the R6. Also, the lack of IBIS ruins the ability to hand hold it in a pinch.
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For discussion I'd love to put some thoughts here. I agree with a lot of what's been said in this thread and disagree with some. I use the R5C as a b-cam to a C300III or a C200 shooting raw all of the time. The matching menu systems are a huge bonus. The battery life is not good, agreed there. But for run and gun it's perfectly usable. You can get maybe 50 minutes out of a new LP-E6NH. I'd call that pretty good for run and gun. When it runs out, pop in a new one. I bet I could fit 4-5 easily in a pants pocket. Try that with a v-mount. Now I've got easily 4 hours of runtime in a pocket. And if it's on a tripod then plug it into mains power or a battery bank.

The IQ is better than the R6. Probably not easily viewable by a client, on the web, I would agree. But then again, a client probably couldn't tell the difference between a Red Raptor and a decent canon mirrorless if things are lit appropriately. I'll take the better image of the R5C for ease of use in post. More options to fix issues IF there are any to fix.

I think hand held is best accomplished with a decent shoulder rig with some weight to it. You could rig a canon mirrorless up to that if you wanted/needed to but a purpose built larger camera would certainly be better for it. If I'm using my R5C for b-roll it's probably on a gimbal, so IBIS is less important. But I've also used the digital I.S. on it to great effect when shooting handheld. It's great for steadying hand held shots, not so great for big pans and tilts, walking, etc. I would argue if you're doing that stuff then you should have a gimbal anyway.

Autofocus is great. As good as Sony. Whether one is slightly better than the other in certain situations is inconsequential at the level they're both at.

All that to say, I think the R5C is as good as it gets for small form factor, full frame cinema cameras. If you have a business case to get one, then do, it'll serve you well for years to come and continue to make money. If it's a hobbyist pursuit, buy whatever you can afford.
 
Lp batts suck! You cant tell which is full before you head out.
my r6 runs on sony bpu kept in the pocket or screwed on the cage
bpu have the same voltage as v so can be interchanged as per the draw requirement.

i think the r5c is getting beyond the cost where micro hdmi is acceptable - who would get a r5c when you could get a c70?
 
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